Missouri gun shop refuses to sell to Biden supporters.

[SarahG]

Wouldn't the opposite also be true? That you're assuming they're buying guns for the wrong reasons?

There were more than 6 million new gun owners in 2020. At least 40% of those are women. Somehow I doubt every one of them is a member of Antifa.

Most people I know who voted for Biden don't want to be anywhere near a gun; however, there is another percentage of people I know who voted Biden that legitimately believe Biden won't attempt to enact gun control, despite there being an entire page about it on his website. I don't get it, but they seem to truly believe it for some reason.

 

[MCgrease08]

Wasn't saying they were. Perhaps I'm a bit more skeptical than you are.

I think you're skepticism is warranted, and I totally get the sentiment, but I think there is common ground to be found. Maybe it's because I used to be much more left with my politics. I only started getting more conservative in my beliefs and political positions after I became a gun owner. I saw all of the lies I had been told about gun owners, gun ownership and stats about gun control. Once I realized how blatantly democrats were lying to me about guns, I started thinking much more critically about all of my positions.

That could not have happened if people more experienced in the firearms world had just screamed, "**** you! You voted for Obama, you don't deserve to own guns."

 

[kickbacked]

How do they go about vetting people?

 

[GIJEW]

Reminds me of a time when I showed at a rifle match with a loaner car...with an obummer bumper sticker.
Seriously, unless they go into the shop wearing biden swag or talking left wing politics, how does anyone know who they voted for--disc earings and a man-bun?
McGrease is right that trying to have a discussion about the 2A and history of "gun control" ought to be tried first because it's almost certain all they've ever heard is anti gun propaganda. A noisy fudd blowing gas about supporting the 2A while saying there's no legitimate reason for us to have evil boogey man guns deserves to be shown the door

 

[IndyDave1776]

That’s their right.

Yes, and after very forthright calls from prominent Democrats for such things as making lists, reeducation camps, and implications toward extermination of conservatives, it is my right as well as the right of the shop owner to suppose that those people intend to use those guns on us--just like Lenin said "the capitalists will sell us the rope to hang them."

 

[larcat]

You assume they're buying for the right reasons. No pun intended.

There is no right reason, as long as it's a lawful one.

It's a right, just like speech. There is no right or wrong reason for me to exercise the 1A as long as it's lawful, same with 2A.

 

[IndyDave1776]

PoThere is no right reason, as long as it's a lawful one.

It's a right, just like speech. There is no right or wrong reason for me to exercise the 1A as long as it's lawful, same with 2A.

That's just the problem. There is much to suggest that purposes which are not lawful, at least not yet, are part of the motivation.

 

[amboy49]

Sure it feels good to read it and knee jerk reaction is to say “they don’t like guns anyway”, but I don’t think things like this are helpful for the 2A crowd. I get it when people say they are a private business and can sell to who they want, but what if it was a Dem car dealership refusing to sell to Trump supporters? I doubt we would high five that. We need to stay consistent in what we say we believe in; not let it be situationally dependent upon voting choices.

Great idea. How’s that been working for us so far ? Death by a thousand cuts I believe is the appropriate phrase.

 

[larcat]

There are a lot of new democrat voting gun owners. Maybe they've never seen the importance of the Second Amendment before this year. But for what ever reason they've felt the need to get a gun. This seems like an excellent opportunity to connect with them and show them how ridiculous gun laws are.

If democrat politicians don't think their voters own guns, then why would they go against the party and oppose for gun control? If we build a coalition of republicans and democrats that loudly oppose new gun laws, politicians might just take notice.

We're going to need the biggest, loudest group of people opposing gun control that we can muster. Alienating those who are new gun owners seems counter productive, no matter who they voted for.

This well said but it's even more fundamental than that. Lot's of new, dyed in the blue, Dem gun owners not only don't think of themselves as gun owners, they don't even think of them selves as exercising s right that's under attack -- they're just thinking of personal security and self defense. The opportunity is there though, to have them permanently think of themselves as gun owners and people who have and value exercising their right.

 

[IndyDave1776]

This well said but it's even more fundamental than that. Lot's of new, dyed in the blue, Dem gun owners not only don't think of themselves as gun owners, they don't even think of them selves as exercising s right that's under attack -- they're just thinking of personal security and self defense. The opportunity is there though, to have them permanently think of themselves as gun owners and people who have and value exercising their right.

Do these people have a double-digit IQ?

 

[larcat]

Do these people have a double-digit IQ?

The local politicians they've voted for and their families vote for and their friends vote for all are anti gun. It's habit, culture and social convention. They went and bought a handgun or shotgun in June because there was looting and violence near their house or apartment or they saw it on TV. They probably never even took it to the range. Now the riots have died down.

Doesn't matter if it's irrational or not, that person doesn't have any self identity around firearms ownership. I have no idea how to do it, but changing that is key for winning this part of the culture war and it's a rare opportunity.

 

[IndyDave1776]

The local politicians they've voted for and their families vote for and their friends vote for all are anti gun. It's habit, culture and social convention. They went and bought a handgun or shotgun in June because there was looting and violence near their house or apartment or they saw it on TV. They probably never even took it to the range. Now the riots have died down.

Doesn't matter if it's irrational or not, that person doesn't have any self identity around firearms ownership. I have no idea how to do it, but changing that is key for winning this part of the culture war and it's a rare opportunity.

You're a whole lot more optimistic than I am.

 

[marvin02]

That's just the problem. There is much to suggest that purposes which are not lawful, at least not yet, are part of the motivation.

So - guns shouldn't be sold to people who might commit an unlawful act at some point in the future? Sounds a lot like gun control to me.

 

[larcat]

You're a whole lot more optimistic than I am.

I'm not at all optimistic about it. I think it's likely that we get Patriot Act 2.0, a semi auto ban and a national registry, 7 day waiting periods and the whole bit. The only way I can think of to avoid that is to expand the number of people who consider 2A when voting. There are 5M new gun owners who never thought about it before. It's maybe a slim chance, but there it is.

 

[Gd999]

How do they go about vetting people?

I think they posted on social media that Biden voters were not welcome. The internet did the rest. I’m sure some people that didn’t even want a gun still came in just to argue with him. But then maybe not, this isn’t a fast food joint but a gun store so that might scare them.

 

[marvin02]

That's just the problem. There is much to suggest that purposes which are not lawful, at least not yet, are part of the motivation.

So - guns shouldn't be sold to people who might commit an unlawful act at some point in the future? Sounds a lot like gun control to me.

Everyone who buys a gun should have to undergo a background check and sign a loyalty oath. All ballots should be made public so we know who to shun. You may speak and think freely, as long as you agree with me.

 

[thompal]

I get it when people say they are a private business and can sell to who they want, but what if it was a Dem car dealership refusing to sell to Trump supporters? I doubt we would high five that. We need to stay consistent in what we say we believe in; not let it be situationally dependent upon voting choices.

But did Trump ever claim to be anti-automobile, or promise to outlaw them?

 

[thompal]

Yea in a time when the 2a is under full on attack we need to alienate the idiots and limit how many legal gun owners are in the states.

Why would we want to arm the very people who have promised to violate our rights?

 

[jsx1043]

The “wealthy democrat” with “a few grand to buy a backup for his Springfield XD” says all that you need to know about him...buffoon

 

[1DOWN4UP]

Wow.Everyone is a winner! Everyone gets a trophy!