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  • Shifty_85

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    Tok ammo isn't too expensive around here, I can generally find boxes for about $20-$25. S&B started making a lot of odd calibers thankfully.
    That's not to bad at all the PPU stuff I bought was I think .47 or .50 CPR.

    Trying to find 7.62x38r for the M1895 isn't fun at all. I had a chance to buy a tin of it a while back and passed. I definitely should have.
     

    TheJoker

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    One of these days I'll get a carcano, where did you pick yours up? It looks great, love the 1934 too!
    I bought the Carcano at that little gun shop in Wanamaker many years ago. I paid $185 for it. Then, I paid $235 for the correct folding bayonet on Ebay.

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    The 7.35mm rifles have a neat story. The Italians were planning on up grading the 6.5mm cartridge to 7.35mm and started building the Model 1938 Short Rifle in the larger caliber. They quickly realized that switching cartridges was going to be a logistical nightmare. So, by 1940 they switched back to building them in 6.5mm. Finland, who was at the very bottom of the Axis supply chain, were shipped approximately 94,500 7.35mm Model 1938 Short rifles, where they were known as Terni carbines (from the Terni stamp with the royal crown, the arsenal where they were manufactured). They were primarily used by security and line-of-communications troops during the Winter War of 1939–1940, though some front line troops were issued the weapon.
     

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    I slowly got on a mission to aquire one decent example of U.S. military rifles from every era. Too lazy to take them all out for pictures and I found them a little at a time as what I call "targets of opportunity". I would go to gunshops, shows or gunbroker and if a decent one showed up at an acceptable price it was bought. Got one example going back to the civil war. Didn't need any parts except a rear site for an '03 because the old one was a little loose and just did an internet search. Here's the pre 1900 ones.
    1) 1863 Bridesburg made in 1864 Gunbroker find
    2) Trapdoor Springfield
    3) Krag Jorgenson with no cartouches. Local gunshop find. I realized there was no 30-40 ammo at home and paid GB price just to have some.
    4) Chilean Mauser by Ludwig and Lowe 7x57 My first milsurp that came in the mail around 1981 from Samco global arms. The parental unit didn't like it.

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    Master
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    The WWI era.

    1917 Eddystone made in 1918. Barrel date of 9-18. Early vs late barrels are distinguished by the rifling. Bought at a civil war show from someone selling his dad's collection. $700.

    '03 Springfield with a barrel date of 3-37. Bought from an old guy selling his collection at a Crown Point gun show. $730. He said he was unsure if he wanted to sell it and had it back under the table a couple of times.

    They are both matching and appear to have the correct cartouche's from my research.

    I'd like to have an original from the revolutionary war but decent examples were going for 5K last I checked.

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    ben142266

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    I bought the Carcano at that little gun shop in Wanamaker many years ago. I paid $185 for it. Then, I paid $235 for the correct folding bayonet on Ebay.

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    The 7.35mm rifles have a neat story. The Italians were planning on up grading the 6.5mm cartridge to 7.35mm and started building the Model 1938 Short Rifle in the larger caliber. They quickly realized that switching cartridges was going to be a logistical nightmare. So, by 1940 they switched back to building them in 6.5mm. Finland, who was at the very bottom of the Axis supply chain, were shipped approximately 94,500 7.35mm Model 1938 Short rifles, where they were known as Terni carbines (from the Terni stamp with the royal crown, the arsenal where they were manufactured). They were primarily used by security and line-of-communications troops during the Winter War of 1939–1940, though some front line troops were issued the weapon.
    Very cool, didn't realise that was one of the 7.35s. Also never knew about their folding bayo, was it only built for the 7.35s? I now have to try and find one, seems like my work will be cut out for me.
     

    TheJoker

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    Very cool, didn't realise that was one of the 7.35s. Also never knew about their folding bayo, was it only built for the 7.35s? I now have to try and find one, seems like my work will be cut out for me.
    I believe it was a standard for the 1938 Short Rifle regardless of caliber. ETA: I guess they did eventually go to a fixed bayo.

    Here's a great video on the rifle: Forgotten Weapons - Carcano

    ETA: Another great video: Forgotten Weapons - Carcano Brilliant or Rubbish
    ....and Another: Forgotten Weapons - Did Finns Hate The 'Terni Rifle'?
     
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    Mongo59

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    I bought the Carcano at that little gun shop in Wanamaker many years ago. I paid $185 for it. Then, I paid $235 for the correct folding bayonet on Ebay.

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    The 7.35mm rifles have a neat story. The Italians were planning on up grading the 6.5mm cartridge to 7.35mm and started building the Model 1938 Short Rifle in the larger caliber. They quickly realized that switching cartridges was going to be a logistical nightmare. So, by 1940 they switched back to building them in 6.5mm. Finland, who was at the very bottom of the Axis supply chain, were shipped approximately 94,500 7.35mm Model 1938 Short rifles, where they were known as Terni carbines (from the Terni stamp with the royal crown, the arsenal where they were manufactured). They were primarily used by security and line-of-communications troops during the Winter War of 1939–1940, though some front line troops were issued the weapon.
    My LGS had one of those bayonets 2 weeks ago for $100, If I had seen this earlier I would have got you a deal.
     

    bgcatty

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    I’m spending most of the weekend reloading for my milsurp rifles including: .303 British for 3 Enfields, 7.62x54R for Moissan Nagant, 7.5x54 French for MAS, 7.5x55 Swiss for K31, 8mm Mauser, 7.7 Jap for Arisaka, .30-06 for Eddystone and M1 Garand. Each load has been laddered and chronographed for each individual rifle with lots of trial and error to get the load right. Trust me my arms and hands are getting tired! :wavey:
     
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    Shifty_85

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    I’m spending most of the weekend reloading for my milsurp rifles including: .303 British for 3 Enfields, 7.62x54R for Moissan Nagant, 7.5x54 French for MAS, 7.5x55 Swiss for K31, 8mm Mauser, 7.7 Jap for Arisaka, .30-06 for Eddystone and M1 Garand. Each load has been laddered and chronographed for each individual rifle with lots of trial and error to get the load right. Trust me my arms and hands are getting tired! :wavey:
    What load data does your Mosin like? I have dies and some .311 SMK just need some brass cases and data.
     

    92FSTech

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    This last week, I did the thing that you're not supposed to do. I refinished my No4. I know it kills the value and authenticity, but the gun was just so darn ugly I couldn't take it anymore. Rust bluing is a long and tedious process, but I got intimately familiar with every little piece of the rifle, so that was kind of cool. I'm much happier with the rifle as it is now, so as far as I'm concerned that's what counts.

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    ben142266

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    This last week, I did the thing that you're not supposed to do. I refinished my No4. I know it kills the value and authenticity, but the gun was just so darn ugly I couldn't take it anymore. Rust bluing is a long and tedious process, but I got intimately familiar with every little piece of the rifle, so that was kind of cool. I'm much happier with the rifle as it is now, so as far as I'm concerned that's what counts.

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    Beautifully done! If you were to show me those pictures and said they were two different ones you had for sale, I would definitely choose the refinished one assuming all else was equal between them. Nicely done!
     

    Mongo59

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    This last week, I did the thing that you're not supposed to do. I refinished my No4. I know it kills the value and authenticity, but the gun was just so darn ugly I couldn't take it anymore. Rust bluing is a long and tedious process, but I got intimately familiar with every little piece of the rifle, so that was kind of cool. I'm much happier with the rifle as it is now, so as far as I'm concerned that's what counts.

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    Sometimes I get so tired of the "they" in "they say". If people are ok with some 90yo man in upstate New York that hasn't smelled burnt gun powder in 40 years telling you what your gun is worth then let the rotting process of your weapon continue to eat away.

    Me, I don't refinish to get over on someone or try to improve the value to someone else, I do it for myself and to stabilize the weapon. The finish was there for a purpose, neglect or abuse made it go away, I just get it stabilized to where it can be or to what it was if possible and make no apologies for it.

    You do good work and you should be satisfied with your accomplishment. I thank you for saving that weapon for future generations.
     

    92FSTech

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    Thanks guys. This is the second gun I've done, and it turned out better than the first, so maybe I'm learning a little. Like you said, Mongo, I'm not looking to flip it or pull one over on a potential buyer...I just want to enjoy the gun, shoot it, and appreciate it for the tool that it is and was. Comparing different service rifles to their contemporaries has been a fun exercise.

    I've got a No5 that needs the same treatment. It's got no rust, but the finish is completely gone...it basically has the stainless look going on. I need to either make or buy a tank before I attempt that one, though. Not to mention find a few days in my schedule with nothing else going on so I can dedicate the time to the project.
     

    TheJoker

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    I visited the Patton Museum near Fort Knox, Kentucky last weekend. It is a shadow of it's former glory as a museum of armored vehicles. When they moved the armor training school to Ft Benning, the armor museum moved there as well. The Patton Museum was repurposed as a museum celebrating General George S. Patton and Military Leadership.

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    It is still well worth a visit. With lots of memorabilia and some interesting firearms from the Patton Estate, they gave a lot of insight into the life of one of America's greatest military minds.

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    tcecil88

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    I was gifted a Zastava M48B 8mm Mauser rifle over the weekend. The bore is still fairly shiny with good rifling and has all matching numbers except the magazine floor plate. It needs a sling and a bayonet and it will be good to go. It's not my first mil-surp rifle but it's the only one I still have. I had an Ishapore 2A1 SMLE rifle in .308 and a Japanese Type 1 Carcano in 6.5 before, but got rid of them.
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    Vanderbilt

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    ....pistols anyone? The Colt SAA and 1911A1 are repops. The 1901 DA Colt and the 1905 S&W are originals. Just got the 1901 back, it has been pretty much reworked and rebuilt.....now to build some ammo and see if it can become a reliable match pistol for our club shoots.....gonna try HBWC in it, heeled bullets probably work best because of the .375 bore, they're a pain to make, lol, for me anyway....
     

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    ben142266

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    ....pistols anyone? The Colt SAA and 1911A1 are repops. The 1901 DA Colt and the 1905 S&W are originals. Just got the 1901 back, it has been pretty much reworked and rebuilt.....now to build some ammo and see if it can become a reliable match pistol for our club shoots.....gonna try HBWC in it, heeled bullets probably work best because of the .375 bore, they're a pain to make, lol, for me anyway....
    What company did you decide on for the 1911? Obviously an original is ideal but price wise just not viable. I've been looking into Tisas lately for a nice representation of one.
     
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