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    CampingJosh

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    This discussion started elsewhere, but it felt like it should be spun off into its own thread.

    "Trumpism" has been used pretty heavily in this political subforum, but I don’t think we all mean the same things when we use it. So I think we would be well served by putting together what that term means.

    I'm going to offer up my thoughts, but I think it'll be helpful for many of us from a variety of opinions (ardent Trump supporters, mainline Republicans, Never Trump Republicans, and those outside the Republican Party) to weigh in. I know we're not all going to see it the same way, and even after that it's going to have connotations that vary based on what each person thinks of Trump, but I still think this can be a productive conversation.


    Here's how I think I would lay it out:
    Trumpism is a shift in both the policy goals of the Republican Party platform and the public presentation of the Republican Party under the leadership of Donald Trump as compared with those of the Republican Party under the leadership of the three previous presidential candidates (Bush, McCain, and Romney).

    Platform changes:
    • De-emphasis on small government as an ideal
    • De-emphasis on fiscal responsibility
    • Decrease in foreign trade
    • America First foreign policy
    • Emphasis on reducing immigration generally and illegal immigration especially
    Public presentation changes:
    • A willingness for crudeness (or at least less aversion)
    • No longer caring what political opponents think, especially re: decorum
    • Openly choosing expediency over principle
    • Focusing more on the defeats of Democrats ("own the libs") rather than on the accomplishments for Republicans
    • Reduced acceptance of compromise/bipartisanship; increased demand for party loyalty
    • Rightward shifting of the "tent" of acceptable ideas/principles
    • Decreased emphasis on the 4th Amendment
    • Anti-intellectualism

    What else do you think should be part of the explanation? What that I've included should be adjusted or removed? Or am I totally off base and you would explain it differently altogether?
     

    Twangbanger

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    Ah. A thread defining Trumpism, started by someone who admitted they voted for Biden.

    There is enough crap being started around here by Biden voters. Your definition of Trump has prevailed in the media for 4 years. You won. Let it go.

    Don't take the bait, people.

    Please, just ignore this one...

    Close thread.
     
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    phylodog

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    This discussion started elsewhere, but it felt like it should be spun off into its own thread.

    "Trumpism" has been used pretty heavily in this political subforum, but I don’t think we all mean the same things when we use it. So I think we would be well served by putting together what that term means.

    I'm going to offer up my thoughts, but I think it'll be helpful for many of us from a variety of opinions (ardent Trump supporters, mainline Republicans, Never Trump Republicans, and those outside the Republican Party) to weigh in. I know we're not all going to see it the same way, and even after that it's going to have connotations that vary based on what each person thinks of Trump, but I still think this can be a productive conversation.


    Here's how I think I would lay it out:
    Trumpism is a shift in both the policy goals of the Republican Party platform and the public presentation of the Republican Party under the leadership of Donald Trump as compared with those of the Republican Party under the leadership of the three previous presidential candidates (Bush, McCain, and Romney).

    Platform changes:
    • De-emphasis on small government as an ideal
    • De-emphasis on fiscal responsibility
    • Decrease in foreign trade
    • America First foreign policy
    • Emphasis on reducing immigration generally and illegal immigration especially
    Public presentation changes:
    • A willingness for crudeness (or at least less aversion) Not pertinent - I don't need someone with good feelings in the white house. Pres Johnson was known for pulling out his junk in public as he was so proud of it. The point is, we've seen much worse in that office.
    • No longer caring what political opponents think, especially re: decorum We're supposed to be civil now? After 8 years of being constantly bombarded with left wing garbage? After the constant and most often proven false allegations launched at Trump over his entire term and we're supposed to play nice?
    • Openly choosing expediency over principle Good thing we all had time to take in, comprehend and weigh in on Obamacare before we had it crammed up our _____.
    • Focusing more on the defeats of Democrats ("own the libs") rather than on the accomplishments for Republicans Refer back to my second answer. Our side has been under constant attack for well over a decade through every major news outlet in the country. Backed up by scumbag politicians looking to cash in on the divisions being created within our society. Who is driving that bus? Sure as hell ain't got nothing to do with Trump.
    • Reduced acceptance of compromise/bipartisanship; increased demand for party loyalty Again, refer back to my second answer. I'm going to bookmark this page so I can refer back to it in six months and be awed by all of the bipartisan legislation that will be enacted between now and then.
    • Rightward shifting of the "tent" of acceptable ideas/principles
    • Decreased emphasis on the 4th Amendment
    • Anti-intellectualism Intellectuals have perverted a large portion of this country into believing that socialism is a legitimate way forward. Guess what, if you want to take steps to establish socialism in this country then you are 100% an enemy of this country.

    What else do you think should be part of the explanation? What that I've included should be adjusted or removed? Or am I totally off base and you would explain it differently altogether?

    **Be sure to expand and read my red comments before reading below**


    I'm not a Trumper, Trumpist, Trumpifier or any other stupid name people want to refer to me by. Never wore a hat, never hung a sign. Here is why some will find it easy to label me as such:

    -I'll vote for a chimpanzee as long as it isn't a liberal
    -I'll especially vote for that chimpanzee if near every single person of influence in this country had not absolutely flipped their :poop: over the prospect of an outsider breaching the compound.
    -I have yet to see evidence of his acting or speaking as a racist. I can identify a racist in 10 words or less, the media and the left have been talking for five years about it and still haven't gotten it done.
    -The left has completely lost touch with reality. They are voting for the people they claim to despise. They want to change, change, change, change, change everything. If their F'ing ideas were so great they'd have proven so many times over by now but they don't. What happens in every major democrat run city in this country? The poor get poorer, the rich get richer, the media reports what it's told to and the blame for it all is pushed off onto a myriad of lame excuses. Liberalism is a lame duck and I'm tired of listening to it. I'll vote for a shoebox full of baseball cards to hold elected office before I'd go along with the platform of lies.


    Anyone think we'll approve abortions up to 6 months post birth before the end of this next term?
     

    churchmouse

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    CJ......What are you doing my friend.
    That you even considered starting this thread is another thing that makes me go :scratch: when it comes to you and how you think. You seem to be a really OK sort but brother you amaze me with how you look at politics. You are a regular posting member in a pretty large and very active 2-A friendly right leaning "GUN" forum. I will repeat......."GUN" forum. For Gods sake man what are you thinking.
    You had the balls to openly admit you stepped over a well defined line we had DRAWN IN THE SAND AND VOTED FOR THE ABSOLUTE WORST TICKET EVER PUT TO THE ELECTORATE and claim you had to end Trumpisms. Are you fracking kidding me. He was as real as they come.

    The most robust economy I can remember. That was no Obama my friend. The money taps opened as soon as he put his hand on the bible. I am (as are so many I know) self employed and we all saw major improvements in the flow of funds. He hamstrung China and they came after him and you fell in lockstep with them. So ****ing what on those GD bumpstocks. So what. Compared to the war we are about to have leveled on us that aint :poop: so everyone who was ready to jump ship[ over that here you go. Enjoy.

    The deal is you thought you were making a protest vote. For what. To who. Who cared and what the hell difference did it make and for Gods sake save the "Indiana was OK to do this in" crap for some other moron that may believe you cause I/we dont. Until we stand united. Never pull the lever and generate a movement we are doomed. The "D" lever.

    Even a 3rd party vote in this election was idiotic and I stand by that so sue me. I really do not care.

    **** lt all way people. But dont cry about it OK. And dont start threads making a weak excuses.

    I am so twisted up right now I can not see straight.
     
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    CampingJosh

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    As to why start this thread, it was to keep from fragmenting further the "Live Feed, Patriots in the Capitol" thread with another tangential discussion.
    I asked Kut what "Trumpism" was and he didn't answer. I think you'd probably answer. So what is "Trumpism" to you? And a followup, what is wrong with it that it needs to be stamped out?
    This seemed like enough of a separate topic to warrant its own discussion.
     

    DoggyDaddy

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    You don't like Trump. We all get it. You (and others) voted for two crazed gun grabbers. Now here we are.

    Shall we define/identify Bidenism?

    •Gut the 2A
    •Raise taxes
    •Raise oil prices
    •Pack SCOTUS
    Plus:
    • Open borders
    • Export manufacturing jobs
    • Forgive student loans
    • "Free" healthcare
    • Shut down small businesses
    • Allow social media to control the 1A
     

    spec4

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    Trump tried his best to do many good things for America. Sadly the phony dems did their best to prevent him from MAGA.

    I will always respect him as one of our greatest POTUS. I am especially disgusted with those claiming to be GOP conservatives who have spoken out against him or have actually voted for his impeachment. The newspapers and magazines are full of this trash. I quit National Review and The Week for their anti Trump positions. Now it looks like I'll have to give up on the Washington Examiner for the same reason.. I hope the fools are happy with what the next four or eight years brings them.

    Anyone know a true conservative news publication out there?
     

    jamil

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    This discussion started elsewhere, but it felt like it should be spun off into its own thread.

    "Trumpism" has been used pretty heavily in this political subforum, but I don’t think we all mean the same things when we use it. So I think we would be well served by putting together what that term means.

    I'm going to offer up my thoughts, but I think it'll be helpful for many of us from a variety of opinions (ardent Trump supporters, mainline Republicans, Never Trump Republicans, and those outside the Republican Party) to weigh in. I know we're not all going to see it the same way, and even after that it's going to have connotations that vary based on what each person thinks of Trump, but I still think this can be a productive conversation.


    Here's how I think I would lay it out:
    Trumpism is a shift in both the policy goals of the Republican Party platform and the public presentation of the Republican Party under the leadership of Donald Trump as compared with those of the Republican Party under the leadership of the three previous presidential candidates (Bush, McCain, and Romney).

    Platform changes:
    • De-emphasis on small government as an ideal
    • De-emphasis on fiscal responsibility
    • Decrease in foreign trade
    • America First foreign policy
    • Emphasis on reducing immigration generally and illegal immigration especially
    Public presentation changes:
    • A willingness for crudeness (or at least less aversion)
    • No longer caring what political opponents think, especially re: decorum
    • Openly choosing expediency over principle
    • Focusing more on the defeats of Democrats ("own the libs") rather than on the accomplishments for Republicans
    • Reduced acceptance of compromise/bipartisanship; increased demand for party loyalty
    • Rightward shifting of the "tent" of acceptable ideas/principles
    • Decreased emphasis on the 4th Amendment
    • Anti-intellectualism

    What else do you think should be part of the explanation? What that I've included should be adjusted or removed? Or am I totally off base and you would explain it differently altogether?
    I think you should explain what you mean by rightward shifting of the “tent”. I’m not so sure I agree with that one.
     

    jamil

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    CJ......What are you doing my friend.
    That you even considered starting this thread is another thing that makes me go :scratch: when it comes to you and how you think. You seem to be a really OK sort but brother you amaze me with how you look at politics. You are a regular posting member in a pretty large and very active 2-A friendly right leaning "GUN" forum. I will repeat......."GUN" forum. For Gods sake man what are you thinking.
    You had the balls to openly admit you stepped over a well defined line we had DRAWN IN THE SAND AND VOTED FOR THE ABSOLUTE WORST TICKET EVER PUT TO THE ELECTORATE and claim you had to end Trumpisms. Are you fracking kidding me. He was as real as they come.

    The most robust economy I can remember. That was no Obama my friend. The money taps opened as soon as he put his hand on the bible. I am (as are so many I know) self employed and we all saw major improvements in the flow of funds. He hamstrung China and they came after him and you fell in lockstep with them. So ******* what on those GD bumpstocks. So what. Compared to the war we are about to have leveled on us that aint :poop: so everyone who was ready to jump ship[ over that here you go. Enjoy.

    The deal is you thought you were making a protest vote. For what. To who. Who cared and what the hell difference did it make and for Gods sake save the "Indiana was OK to do this in" crap for some other moron that may believe you cause I/we dont. Until we stand united. Never pull the lever and generate a movement we are doomed. The "D" lever.

    Even a 3rd party vote in this election was idiotic and I stand by that so sue me. I really do not care.

    **** lt all way people. But dont cry about it OK. And dont start threads making a weak excuses.

    I am so twisted up right now I can not see straight.
    When someone mentioned that in another thread didn’t you suggest someone start a new thread? Maybe I’m mistaken on who said it. I thought Kut said he couldn’t answer it without a pass, and I thought you, or maybe it was another mod, said to start a thread. Okay. So CJ started a thread.
     

    churchmouse

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    When someone mentioned that in another thread didn’t you suggest someone start a new thread? Maybe I’m mistaken on who said it. I thought Kut said he couldn’t answer it without a pass, and I thought you, or maybe it was another mod, said to start a thread. Okay. So CJ started a thread.
    OK so CJ is going to take a bit of abuse in his thread.
    You still dont get it do you.
     
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