Leaked/breaking:Roe v. Wade expected to be overturned

[Creedmoor]

No, that would be ridiculous.
You made the claim upthread that R’s had had more impact on your dont’s and nots than D’s. That’s what the list was for.

First was Ronald Reagan in 1984 with ending new transferables to nfa.
And im a previous buyer before pricing insanity started.
And I voted for him.

 

[Creedmoor]

Look Im as extreme as you’re going to get on this.

Well maybe not, after reading this junk.

It’s pretty simple, birth control should seek to prevent conception.

If it seeks to prevent implantation or cause a miscarriage on purpose (after conception), then it would fall into the killing of another life category.

We’ve always had laws on the books against murder.

Even now, if you kill a pregnant woman, you can be charged with double homicide.

That’s the bottom line. The life in the woman is a separate life, totally distinct from the woman that has its own God given inalienable rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness/property.

But what about rape and incest? They’re obviously horrible situations caused by the destruction of the home.

And every law in every state has stipulations about the life of the mother.

I’ve been through this decision first hand and when it was determined the baby wasn’t going to live and the mother’s life was literally at stake, nobody raised an eyebrow doing whatever could be done to save the mother.

But there is a huge difference in causing the mother to go into labor and deliver a baby that will most likely die, offering the child as much medical care as possible, letting the mother hold the child (when appropriate) VERSUS burning or tearing apart the child limb by limb because the mother didn’t want the child.

The Bible talks about in the last days people being “without natural affection.”

I would think the 80% of mothers that electively choose to kill their own child fall into this category.

With that said, they will get major pushback from people like me if they want to regulate birth control that tries to prevent conception.

The problem is there are many “birth control pills” that are really abortion pills that kill the child after conception.

And I doubt 75% of people even know which pills do what.

We’re in a messed up world.

We’re trying to solve problems, but we’re not looking at the real issues.

Fatherless homes/absentee fathers is the major contributing factor causing every issue from abortion, to promiscuity, to drug/alcohol abuse, pornography, jail time, depressions, low self worth… you name it, fathers, or the lack thereof, is causing the issue.

Little boys ask the question “do I have what it takes?”

Little girls ask the question “Am I lovely?”

These questions are answered by Dad.

If they are not, then we will find someone else to answer those questions for us.

It’s why a girl with “daddy issues” is quick to give it a way.

And a guy with “daddy issues” is quick to take it.

Whereas a real man would tell his daughter she is beautiful everyday and treat her how she should be treated.

We are in desperate need of dads to stop trying to conquer the workplace or the golf course, and become loving husbands and fathers again.

And in case I didn’t offend you yet… many of these issues would disappear if we went back to one man and one woman married for life and sex happening after marriage.

God has a good plan and order for things.

We buck his Word at our own peril.

Where do you learn some of this post?

 

[HoosierLife]

Where do you learn some of this post?

Which part?

I read a lot.

 

[KLB]

Alright here’s the deal, I’m talking percentages, annualized, and Creedmoor is talking lifetime accumulation (I’m sure there’s a better term) so we’re both right, just using different labels.
Rough math, if you add up the annual numbers from 1973 and divide by half the population it’s about 30%.

I still can’t fathom thinking 1/4 of the women I know have had an abortion, but that’s me.

Also I know I said I like numbers better than words, but I didn’t say I was any gooder with them, so thanks for getting me on the right path here KLB.

Honestly, it wasn't making sense to me either. I think they are making claims without having the actual numbers to back them. Then again, neither side really knows the real data behind this, other than possibly how many are performed.

 

[Creedmoor]

Look Im as extreme as you’re going to get on this.

Well maybe not, after reading this junk.

It’s pretty simple, birth control should seek to prevent conception.

If it seeks to prevent implantation or cause a miscarriage on purpose (after conception), then it would fall into the killing of another life category.

Even now, if you kill a pregnant woman, you can be charged with double homicide.

That’s the bottom line. The life in the woman is a separate life, totally distinct from the woman that has its own God given inalienable rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness/property.

But what about rape and incest? They’re obviously horrible situations caused by the destruction of the home.

And every law in every state has stipulations about the life of the mother.

I’ve been through this decision first hand and when it was determined the baby wasn’t going to live and the mother’s life was literally at stake, nobody raised an eyebrow doing whatever could be done to save the mother.

But there is a huge difference in causing the mother to go into labor and deliver a baby that will most likely die, offering the child as much medical care as possible, letting the mother hold the child (when appropriate) VERSUS burning or tearing apart the child limb by limb because the mother didn’t want the child.

The Bible talks about in the last days people being “without natural affection.”

I would think the 80% of mothers that electively choose to kill their own child fall into this category.

With that said, they will get major pushback from people like me if they want to regulate birth control that tries to prevent conception.

The problem is there are many “birth control pills” that are really abortion pills that kill the child after conception.

And I doubt 75% of people even know which pills do what.

We’re in a messed up world.

We’re trying to solve problems, but we’re not looking at the real issues.

Fatherless homes/absentee fathers is the major contributing factor causing every issue from abortion, to promiscuity, to drug/alcohol abuse, pornography, jail time, depressions, low self worth… you name it, fathers, or the lack thereof, is causing the issue.

Little boys ask the question “do I have what it takes?”

Little girls ask the question “Am I lovely?”

These questions are answered by Dad.

If they are not, then we will find someone else to answer those questions for us.

It’s why a girl with “daddy issues” is quick to give it a way.

And a guy with “daddy issues” is quick to take it.

Whereas a real man would tell his daughter she is beautiful everyday and treat her how she should be treated.

We are in desperate need of dads to stop trying to conquer the workplace or the golf course, and become loving husbands and fathers again.

And in case I didn’t offend you yet… many of these issues would disappear if we went back to one man and one woman married for life and sex happening after marriage.

God has a good plan and order for things.

We buck his Word at our own peril.

Laughable, from a single dad that raised two well adjusted, responsible men.

 

[HoosierLife]

Laughable, from a single dad that raised two well adjusted, responsible men.

Kuddos to you!

But it actually helps prove my point.

The data is out there.

Kids actually do better in loving single father homes than single mother homes with little or no involvement from dad.

There are just some things that good men teach children that are super necessary for success in life.

Thank you for being a good dad!

 

[Creedmoor]

Kuddos to you!

But it actually helps prove my point.

The data is out there.

Kids actually do better in loving single father homes than single mother homes with little or no involvement from dad.

There are just some things that good men teach children that are super necessary for success in life.

Thank you for being a good dad!

Dont kid yourself, without a mothers imput.
Some Good things are missed also.
Have you raised children to them moving out?

 

[HoosierLife]

Dont kid yourself, without a mothers imput.
Some Good things are missed also.
Have you raised children to them moving out?

I have not. I still have plenty to learn on raising kids, especially how to navigate all the nuttiness in society.

But I’ve spent 20 years studying the Bible and other books on the home.

I teach the Homebuilder’s Sunday School class at my church.

All my views will be based on the Bible and I know that rubs some people the wrong way, and while I don’t want to offend people, I know I will.

And I don’t discount mothers. Both are needed.

I’m just saying what the stats and evidence clearly show.

The lack of engaged loving dads in the home puts a child at more risk for drugs, alcohol abuse, prison, pornography, children before marriage, poverty etc than any other factor, including race, income, disability, social status etc.

This is the problem.

We’re trying to deal with the wrong issue here.

Our nation was founded by strong men who had a solid understanding of how the home was supposed to work.

(They had a solid understanding of a lot of things that most folks are clueless on nowadays)

But communism, the Pride crowd, and the Left’s goals have been to destroy the family unit/patriarchy for well over 100 years.

We’re dealing with the fallout of their success.

 

[KLB]

Dont kid yourself, without a mothers imput.
Some Good things are missed also.
Have you raised children to them moving out?

Very true. They need a father figure, especially it seems from a discipline side of things.

A father cannot replace a mother's nurturing love for their children though.

 

[HoosierLife]

Very true. They need a father figure, especially it seems from a discipline side of things.

A father cannot replace a mother's nurturing love for their children though.

Discipline is definitely a huge part of it.

But a boy needs to know that he has what it takes.

So when we play 1 on 1, I don’t let him win.

When wrestle or play fight, I don’t let him win.

Eventually they start scoring or even beating us.

The punches are stronger. They actually hurt dad now.

They grow up learning first hand that they DO have what it takes.

Once they have that mindset, they can go out an conquer the world more effectively.

Discipline is still a must. Folly is bound in the heart of a child, but the rod of correction will drive it far from him.

And girls. Poor girls. They’ve gotten the short end of the stick since the Garden.

They all want to know they’re lovely. There is nothing more detrimental to a woman’s mental health than thinking she’s not beautiful.

The world, social media, airbrushed models, and social media filters show most young girls an unattainable goal for beauty.

And if dad doesn’t come along and quell these fears from a young age, these girls will try to find someone to make her feel beautiful and be willing to give away the farm in exchange.

But discipline is a must here as well. Cute bossy little girls that don’t listen, turn into rebellious snarky teenagers.

 

[Creedmoor]

I have not. I still have plenty to learn on raising kids, especially how to navigate all the nuttiness in society.

But I’ve spent 20 years studying the Bible and other books on the home.

I teach the Homebuilder’s Sunday School class at my church.

All my views will be based on the Bible and I know that rubs some people the wrong way, and while I don’t want to offend people, I know I will.

And I don’t discount mothers. Both are needed.

I’m just saying what the stats and evidence clearly show.

The lack of engaged loving dads in the home puts a child at more risk for drugs, alcohol abuse, prison, pornography, children before marriage, poverty etc than any other factor, including race, income, disability, social status etc.

This is the problem.

We’re trying to deal with the wrong issue here.

Our nation was founded by strong men who had a solid understanding of how the home was supposed to work.

(They had a solid understanding of a lot of things that most folks are clueless on nowadays)

But communism, the Pride crowd, and the Left’s goals have been to destroy the family unit/patriarchy for well over 100 years.

We’re dealing with the fallout of their success.

You havent rubbed me at all. You think you know about raising childred to be responsible adults? LOL...
You read and talk the talk my friend,Get back to me after you've walked the walk with raising a few children of your own.

 

[Creedmoor]

Discipline is definitely a huge part of it.

But a boy needs to know that he has what it takes.

So when we play 1 on 1, I don’t let him win.

When wrestle or play fight, I don’t let him win.

Eventually they start scoring or even beating us.

The punches are stronger. They actually hurt dad now.

They grow up learning first hand that they DO have what it takes.

Once they have that mindset, they can go out an conquer the world more effectively.

Discipline is still a must. Folly is bound in the heart of a child, but the rod of correction will drive it far from him.

And girls. Poor girls. They’ve gotten the short end of the stick since the Garden.

They all want to know they’re lovely. There is nothing more detrimental to a woman’s mental health than thinking she’s not beautiful.

The world, social media, airbrushed models, and social media filters show most young girls an unattainable goal for beauty.

And if dad doesn’t come along and quell these fears from a young age, these girls will try to find someone to make her feel beautiful and be willing to give away the farm in exchange.

But discipline is a must here as well. Cute bossy little girls that don’t listen, turn into rebellious snarky teenagers.

What is The Rod of Correction you speek of?
And be honest.
Proverbs 23 11-13 or Hebrews 12-11?

 

[MCgrease08]

You havent rubbed me at all. You think you know about raising childred to be responsible adults? LOL...
You read and talk the talk my friend,Get back to me after you've walked the walk with raising a few children of your own.

Perhaps you could point out where your experiences successfully raising kids to adulthood don't match up with the principles he brought up.

I'm a divorced dad in the middle of raising younger kids, a daughter (10) and son (7). I have split custody so I often consider myself a single Dad, but they do have a good relationship with their mom. I can't say I disagree with much of what HoosierLife has said, but I know there are many more challenges and struggles to come with teenage years.

What advice would you offer up, since you're clearly proud of the job you did with yours?

 

[jamil]

Kuddos to you!

But it actually helps prove my point.

The data is out there.

Kids actually do better in loving single father homes than single mother homes with little or no involvement from dad.

There are just some things that good men teach children that are super necessary for success in life.

Thank you for being a good dad!

Just a minor nit. I don't think it has as much to do with whether the single parent is a father or mother, other than the dominant temperaments of men vs women. A doting dad is just as perilous to the future of children as a doting mom. It's just that dad's, as a matter of temperament, tend to be less doting than moms. Plenty of steadfast single moms have raised children to be great people.

I think of a single mom in the church I used to attend. Her son had autism. It wasn't debilitating, but it could have been. She worked with that kid tirelessly from toddler to adult, to help him learn life skills, and once a skill was sufficiently learned, she made him do that part of life for himself. She taught an autistic kid how to take care of himself when she's not there to do it.

Now that kid is a well functioning adult. He doesn't have a high paying or complicated job. But he's a hard worker, and productive within his limited range of abilities. He's employed, responsible with money, and lives within his means, long after his mom passed.

 

[Creedmoor]

Perhaps you could point out where your experiences successfully raising kids to adulthood don't match up with the principles he brought up.

I'm a divorced dad in the middle of raising younger kids, a daughter (10) and son (7). I have split custody so I often consider myself a single Dad, but they do have a good relationship with their mom. I can't say I disagree with much of what HoosierLife has said, but I know there are many more challenges and struggles to come with teenage years.

What advice would you offer up, since you're clearly proud of the job you did with yours?

Well, we for starters I grew up in a single Christian fathers home. Church twice a week.
We had a hands on father, all it did was teach his childred to live life with a hands on approach. A hard way to go through life.
I was lucky I didnt have kids until I was almost 40, I ended up as a single parent with two young boys. I changed my entire life around that happening. Massive career change to working at home and being both mom and dad.
I asked loads of questions to my father, some I listened to and some I tossed out.
Quickly I put both in private school over I didnt agree with the good schools we had close in Md. I kept them busy, school, homework, FFA, 4H, our farm, then jrotc to crabbing on sat and sun to make a few hundred for legos and savings accounts.
Both studied Okinawa Karate 10+ years two nights a week. Grades in school were average in a very tough environment.
They both were sent to vacation bible school at the Methodist church my gfather was a founding member of.

In essence, no huge Christian upbringing.
Just a simple parent that tried to always do the right thing everytime with my sons.
My father was not always right just like his sons, but he was always there. Always.
I was an involved parent everyday, you have to be to raise children who turn into responsible adults. Im a firm believer religion is not needed to be a worthy productive adult.

Want to raise productive adults?
Always be there for your children, I was and still am Always Available to Mine.

Its not that hard to be a parent,
ALWAYS ****ING BE THERE.

Am I proud of mine, ****in A im Proud.
It was a huge amout of worthwhile work.
For all three of us.

Oh and unlike my father, I never laid a hand on my children. No need for hands, a belt or cane.
Read you kids a book, teach them how to make money and how to feed and defend themselfs if everything turns to poop.
Dont say bad things about mom, they will figure it all out own there own.
Be a parent. Make the Accountable Everytime and Be There.

Oh and most'ist important.
Make damn sure you teach them to use a washer, dryer, an iron, excellent grammer, penmanship, second language and typing to both of your children.
Your son will thank you down the road.
I wish you good luck.

 

[ditcherman]

Well, we for starters I grew up in a single Christian fathers home. Church twice a week.
We had a hands on father, all it did was teach his childred to live life with a hands on approach. A hard way to go through life.
I was lucky I didnt have kids until I was almost 40, I ended up as a single parent with two young boys. I changed my entire life around that happening. Massive career change to working at home and being both mom and dad.
I asked loads of questions to my father, some I listened to and some I tossed out.
Quickly I put both in private school over I didnt agree with the good schools we had close in Md. I kept them busy, school, homework, FFA, 4H, our farm, then jrotc to crabbing on sat and sun to make a few hundred for legos and savings accounts.
Both studied Okinawa Karate 10+ years two nights a week. Grades in school were average in a very tough environment.
They both were sent to vacation bible school at the Methodist church my gfather was a founding member of.

In essence, no huge Christian upbringing.
Just a simple parent that tried to always do the right thing everytime with my sons.
My father was not always right just like his sons, but he was always there. Always.
I was an involved parent everyday, you have to be to raise children who turn into responsible adults. Im a firm believer religion is not needed to be a worthy productive adult.

Want to raise productive adults?
Always be there for your children, I was and still am Always Available to Mine.

Its not that hard to be a parent,
ALWAYS ****ING BE THERE.

Am I proud of mine, ****in A im Proud.
It was a huge amout of worthwhile work.
For all three of us.

Oh and unlike my father, I never laid a hand on my children. No need for hands, a belt or cane.
Read you kids a book, teach them how to make money and how to feed and defend themselfs if everything turns to poop.
Dont say bad things about mom, they will figure it all out own there own.
Be a parent. Make the Accountable Everytime and Be There.

Oh and most'ist important.
Make damn sure you teach them to use a washer, dryer, an iron, excellent grammer, penmanship, second language and typing to both of your children.
Your son will thank you down the road.
I wish you good luck.

Same, proudest thing in my life for my two well balanced men who are figuring life out well.

A fascinating thing for me to watch is one of mine raising theirs as you say “without laying a hand on them”. Boggles my mind but so far so good, it can be done I guess.

 

[jamil]

I was an involved parent everyday, you have to be to raise children who turn into responsible adults. Im a firm believer religion is not needed to be a worthy productive adult.

I agree with this. But, with the observation that it's typically the Christians who feel an urgency in and devotion to raising kids to be good, responsible adults. Not all Christians do it. The church I used to go to had its share of hellians. Not all secular people fail to prioritize it. I wouldn't call it a uniquely Christian value. It's just that my experience has been that Christian parents are more likely to have that attitude about raising their kids not to be a burden on society. Secular people don't seem to look at it that way. That's just my personal experience, anyway.

 

[HoosierLife]

I agree with this. But, with the observation that it's typically the Christians who feel an urgency in and devotion to raising kids to be good, responsible adults. Not all Christians do it. The church I used to go to had its share of hellians. Not all secular people fail to prioritize it. I wouldn't call it a uniquely Christian value. It's just that my experience has been that Christian parents are more likely to have that attitude about raising their kids not to be a burden on society. Secular people don't seem to look at it that way. That's just my personal experience, anyway.

Many of you are good dads that are teaching biblical values and principles to your children.

If it’s the right thing to do, it’s truth, and all objective truth comes from one Source.

I don’t know of any other organization or operating manual that teaches how to build a more effective home than a real local church and the Word of God.

 

[HoosierLife]

What is The Rod of Correction you speek of?
And be honest.
Proverbs 23 11-13 or Hebrews 12-11?

Kids seemed to do better when grandma was making kids go out behind the shed and find a switch.

Discipline is a touchy subject.

Many have been abused.

God relates himself to his people as a loving father who disciplines his children.

Obviously, there must be a way to have loving discipline that gets the point across without falling into abuse.

The Bible tells fathers to not provoke their children to wrath.

One of the ways you provoke a child to wrath is disciplining out of anger. Which can lead to abuse.

So I always calm down first, ask the kids what they did wrong, have them explain why it’s wrong (when they’re old enough), and then administer discipline.

Then I help them calm down and make sure they know I’m not mad at them.

Gotta start young. I only discipline for a few things.

Disobedience. Rebellion. Lying. Bad attitude.

I’m sure Ill add a few more as the years go by.

Had to figure out the hard way that lying needs a bigger discipline than disobedience.

Nobody has to teach a kid to lie lol.

 

[jamil]

Many of you are good dads that are teaching biblical values and principles to your children.

If it’s the right thing to do, it’s truth, and all objective truth comes from one Source.

I don’t know of any other organization or operating manual that teaches how to build a more effective home than a real local church and the Word of God.

I'm not going to deny that many of my values were derived from religion. But I don't think that those values uniquely belong to Christians. It's just that I learned them from my own upbringing which was from Christian parents. They were divorced, but I had both of them in my life and they both influenced me.

so I agree that it's the right thing to do. I agree that it's truthful, and objective. I just disagree that it comes from that source uniquely.