Leaked/breaking:Roe v. Wade expected to be overturned

The #1 community for Gun Owners in Indiana

Member Benefits:

  • Fewer Ads!
  • Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership
  • Discuss anti-gun legislation
  • Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section
  • Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses
  • Discover free outdoor shooting areas
  • View up to date on firearm-related events
  • Share photos & video with other members
  • ...and so much more!
  • jamil

    Grandmaster
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jul 17, 2011
    50,062
    113
    Gtown-ish
    That's a bit of a non sequitur, isn't it? The original complaint was that women who engage in certain behaviors are called "whores", while the men who co-equally engage in those behaviors are not similarly described. I'm merely stating that any description applies to both parties, equally.

    Personally, I don't call anyone such (or any other) names. People are free to engage in whatever consenting, lawful activities they choose. I only insist that they take responsibility for the consequences of their decisions and actions.
    So the dude’s a whore too? :n00b:

    Not a non-sequitur. This is *aught” discussion not an “is” discussion. It seems like a lit of work to go through to justify calling them whores. Does that definition seriously fit?
     

    ljk

    Master
    Rating - 100%
    26   0   0
    May 21, 2013
    2,522
    119
    It is a bad thing to kill a baby to increase corporate profits…
    The mother can have the abortion, though corporations are people, they don't and can't have abortions.

    Don't like their corporate policy, don't work for them or buy their product.

    Don't like woke Apple, you are free to not use their iphone, don't like woke google, don't use android phones either.
     

    Cameramonkey

    www.thechosen.tv
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 100%
    33   0   0
    May 12, 2013
    23,847
    77
    Camby area
    Honestly, I think my example of "glaucoma" or "I need weed for anxiety" in young people is a better example than covid for the (lack of) morality in the medical establishment. You are saying loopholes a little loosely. Here I'm saying that we can have a narrowly tailored exception for the mother's life. We agree about injecting and chopping up minors masquerading as healthcare, I'm fine with a bill that prohibits that under the age of consent (I think the TX Rs have such a bill on their to-do list). We seem to be running into the same sort of problem that we all rallied against for HB1296 for permit-less carry - we want to make it as painless as possible for the legitimate people and put the burden on the state for those violating the law. (Okay, you're in OH, but I assume you approve of IN and OHs permit-less carry, which follows an analogous reasoning in terms of reducing burden on law-abiding, punish the criminals).



    So. I'm of the opinion that anything that even has a whiff of an imposition on constitutional rights should be at the very least tax-funded (that means no $200 tax stamp, that means no fee for firearm background checks, that means no fee to apply for a carry permit, etc.) One could make the argument that the right to vote isn't constitutional... but I think one would lose that argument these days, and we'll likely never see the day that it's argued in court for citizens in good standing. I think that ID should be required to vote to ensure fair and secure elections - if there is a burden to produce ID, at least one form of valid ID should be available from the government that is tax funded. Driving is not a right, the driver's license should not be tax funded - indeed the license fee is the tax to pay for the processing.

    Now, in terms of busing, etc, that is mostly to pull the excuse rug, but isn't required (I do think it's good optics for the conservatives, but I doubt liberals would give them the credit, anyway). Basically have 7 opportunities to get free transportation to get the ID and register to vote, then I don't want to hear ******** about not having the chance.

    Edit: There's also a lot of (as far as I'm aware) unsubstantiated claims about racism in requiring ID. "Black people are less likely to have driver's licenses, and driver's licenses are the most common form of ID for voting." But that's not the relevant question - the question is "do black people have access to get an appropriate state-issued ID?" It's not required to be a driver's license. It's cherry-picking at its finest. It's also a bit racist to presume that Black people apparently can't figure out how to get ID. All these middle-class cul-de-sac-dwelling half-educated people boldly declaring things like "black people can't get ID" and "black people don't know how to use the internet." Liberals accuse conservatives of being white supremacists and then flaunt their own white savior complex. Amazing.

    Okay, end of this derailment on my end.
    And every Jan on the street interview I’ve seen of black folks where they ask “do you know of anyone who DOESNT have have ID?” It’s always met with a look of “are you effing kidding me?” Followed by “no. Of course not. “

    And as to the comment about taking joy from execution: I’m not taking joy. Just giving them what they deserve. Or we could go biblical and chain a millstone around their neck and throw them in the sea.
     

    JEBland

    INGO's least subtle Alphabet agency taskforce spy
    Rating - 100%
    9   0   0
    Oct 24, 2020
    1,627
    113
    West Lafayette
    And every Jan on the street interview I’ve seen of black folks where they ask “do you know of anyone who DOESNT have have ID?” It’s always met with a look of “are you effing kidding me?” Followed by “no. Of course not. “
    Exactly. For some reason, the woke (i.e. bored) white folks feel the need to protect (i.e. condescend) to those poor people that they move away from and vote to ensure that their towns don't get rezoned.

    And as to the comment about taking joy from execution: I’m not taking joy. Just giving them what they deserve. Or we could go biblical and chain a millstone around their neck and throw them in the sea.
    We shouldn't torture if our intent is to end their lives and prevent them from harming others. Again, I get it. I really, really do, but we need to restrain ourselves, say a prayer for the victims and even the guilty, and reflect on what has happened.
     

    Leadeye

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    4   0   0
    Jan 19, 2009
    32,846
    113
    .
    There were women in the Navy that would actually have a competition to see who had the most.
    And many that got pregnant so they wouldn't go to sea, then after a while, got an abortion.
    Never did a day at sea.

    I'm not saying a lot of women do that, but I witnessed it for 4 years of sea duty.

    While I don't know much about the procedure I would think there would be a limit on abortions during a lifetime, it's got to do damage of some sort.
     

    chipbennett

    Grandmaster
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Oct 18, 2014
    9,111
    113
    Avon
    Well Welcome to America, you can insist on anything you wish my friend. The woman across the street is allowed to insist on her wishes also.
    We should be careful on things we wish for with such a young country.
    She is not allowed to insist that others bear the responsibility for her own decisions and actions. That's the point.

    Individual agency. Individual liberty. Individual responsibility.
     

    chipbennett

    Grandmaster
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Oct 18, 2014
    9,111
    113
    Avon
    So the dude’s a whore too? :n00b:

    Not a non-sequitur. This is *aught” discussion not an “is” discussion. It seems like a lit of work to go through to justify calling them whores. Does that definition seriously fit?
    I probably shouldn't even have stepped into that discussion. I don't call anyone, anything. My point was that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Whether or not the woman is, if it is true that she is, then it is true that the man is, too.
     

    ditcherman

    Master
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 100%
    8   0   0
    Dec 18, 2018
    3,973
    113
    In the country, hopefully.
    Thats still what You see, not what everyone sees.
    Its easy for a man to avoid being involved.
    Dont bust up in there.

    Not Democrats? Maybe you should reread rhis thread.

    Well, you believe you and i'll believe what ive seen with the last 60+ years. Ive had a few years of traveling this great country with work, met a lot of folks along the way.
    Youre asking for a list of women that I know that have had abortions? You kidd,
    Do you really believe that most women will freely admit they have had one or more abortions to the free world in conversation?
    I know what I have seen in my life and we are getting ready for a repeat performance.
    While it’s clear my opinion that I know what women have not done in the past has been down-voted, I don’t agree that your observations of 25% are accurate.
    The stats I quoted for national right to life which I would assume would be inflated to fearmonger and raise money state .5%.
    So you hold on to your opinion of 25% and I’ll hold on to mine of none/100.
     

    churchmouse

    I still care....Really
    Staff member
    Administrator
    Moderator
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 100%
    187   0   0
    Dec 7, 2011
    191,689
    152
    Speedway area
    You can't see it because that word doesn't mean whatever it is you think it means. Electing senators is a problem with being a republic, seriously?

    I have reached the point that I don't really care to continue to argue these things, but I will say that it seems to be a fetish with conservatives to use the word Republic to mean something other than what the definition of the word actually is. I don't get it; I wish our side could learn to use a freaking dictionary.

    I whole-heartedly agree that our government only vaguely resembles the government described in the constitution. That, however, doesn't mean it isn't a republic.

    I get the impression that for too many people the fact that the government described in the constitution is described as a republic, they then have the idea that the government described in the constitution is therefore the definition of a republic. That is simply not so.

    The establishment of a republic was a big deal when our nation was founded in an era full of kings, czars, kaiser's, etc. It's not a shock that they used that word, in that era, to describe our nation. It was a big deal! However, it doesn't mean that our nation, as founded, was the definition of a republic.
    OK. I am one of those people.
    Now I have to do some research.
     

    Creedmoor

    Expert
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Mar 10, 2022
    824
    93
    Madison Co Indiana
    While it’s clear my opinion that I know what women have not done in the past has been down-voted, I don’t agree that your observations of 25% are accurate.
    The stats I quoted for national right to life which I would assume would be inflated to fearmonger and raise money state .5%.
    So you hold on to your opinion of 25% and I’ll hold on to mine of none/100.
     

    ditcherman

    Master
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 100%
    8   0   0
    Dec 18, 2018
    3,973
    113
    In the country, hopefully.
    Thanks for the link.
    The headline and first paragraph of predictive analysis says 1 in 4, but when they start going through all the historical stats according to their divisions, they talk about anywhere from 14.6 to 28, which is 2.8% for the highest group.
    I did not take time to click on the links to the predictions. Why would it jump from 2.8% to 25%? I think the answer is clickbait to stir the nest.
     

    KLB

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    5   0   0
    Sep 12, 2011
    17,860
    77
    Porter County
    Thanks for the link.
    The headline and first paragraph of predictive analysis says 1 in 4, but when they start going through all the historical stats according to their divisions, they talk about anywhere from 14.6 to 28, which is 2.8% for the highest group.
    I did not take time to click on the links to the predictions. Why would it jump from 2.8% to 25%? I think the answer is clickbait to stir the nest.
    I can't read the article, but it sounds like you are describing percentages for age groups. If you are, did you total the percentages?
     

    KLB

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    5   0   0
    Sep 12, 2011
    17,860
    77
    Porter County
    Interesting. With an annual rate of 1.5%, maybe they are simply extrapolating that over the lifetime of women, and lowering it a little to cover what they perceive would be the repeaters. I have to agree with you that 25% seems high from what they show.

    I see they had to throw the racism card in there for good measure too. :n00b:
     

    Creedmoor

    Expert
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Mar 10, 2022
    824
    93
    Madison Co Indiana
    I can't read the article, but it sounds like you are describing percentages for age groups. If you are, did you total the percentages?
    Thanks for the link.
    The headline and first paragraph of predictive analysis says 1 in 4, but when they start going through all the historical stats according to their divisions, they talk about anywhere from 14.6 to 28, which is 2.8% for the highest group.
    I did not take time to click on the links to the predictions. Why would it jump from 2.8% to 25%? I think the answer is clickbait to stir the nest.
    I believe with the lifespan of a woman.
     

    HoosierLife

    Expert
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jun 8, 2013
    759
    63
    Greenwood
    If the law doesn't make exception for that case, and no one seems to have a problem that, then you've got more of an extreme radical problem than you realized.

    With all of the slippery slope arguments regarding gun control on this forum, it's hard to believe that some people can't see what a worrying number of theologically driven extremists really want...

    Look Im as extreme as you’re going to get on this.

    Well maybe not, after reading this junk.

    It’s pretty simple, birth control should seek to prevent conception.

    If it seeks to prevent implantation or cause a miscarriage on purpose (after conception), then it would fall into the killing of another life category.

    We’ve always had laws on the books against murder.

    Even now, if you kill a pregnant woman, you can be charged with double homicide.

    That’s the bottom line. The life in the woman is a separate life, totally distinct from the woman that has its own God given inalienable rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness/property.

    But what about rape and incest? They’re obviously horrible situations caused by the destruction of the home.

    And every law in every state has stipulations about the life of the mother.

    I’ve been through this decision first hand and when it was determined the baby wasn’t going to live and the mother’s life was literally at stake, nobody raised an eyebrow doing whatever could be done to save the mother.

    But there is a huge difference in causing the mother to go into labor and deliver a baby that will most likely die, offering the child as much medical care as possible, letting the mother hold the child (when appropriate) VERSUS burning or tearing apart the child limb by limb because the mother didn’t want the child.

    The Bible talks about in the last days people being “without natural affection.”

    I would think the 80% of mothers that electively choose to kill their own child fall into this category.

    With that said, they will get major pushback from people like me if they want to regulate birth control that tries to prevent conception.

    The problem is there are many “birth control pills” that are really abortion pills that kill the child after conception.

    And I doubt 75% of people even know which pills do what.

    We’re in a messed up world.

    We’re trying to solve problems, but we’re not looking at the real issues.

    Fatherless homes/absentee fathers is the major contributing factor causing every issue from abortion, to promiscuity, to drug/alcohol abuse, pornography, jail time, depressions, low self worth… you name it, fathers, or the lack thereof, is causing the issue.

    Little boys ask the question “do I have what it takes?”

    Little girls ask the question “Am I lovely?”

    These questions are answered by Dad.

    If they are not, then we will find someone else to answer those questions for us.

    It’s why a girl with “daddy issues” is quick to give it a way.

    And a guy with “daddy issues” is quick to take it.

    Whereas a real man would tell his daughter she is beautiful everyday and treat her how she should be treated.

    We are in desperate need of dads to stop trying to conquer the workplace or the golf course, and become loving husbands and fathers again.

    And in case I didn’t offend you yet… many of these issues would disappear if we went back to one man and one woman married for life and sex happening after marriage.

    God has a good plan and order for things.

    We buck his Word at our own peril.
     

    ditcherman

    Master
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 100%
    8   0   0
    Dec 18, 2018
    3,973
    113
    In the country, hopefully.
    Interesting. With an annual rate of 1.5%, maybe they are simply extrapolating that over the lifetime of women, and lowering it a little to cover what they perceive would be the repeaters. I have to agree with you that 25% seems high from what they show.

    I see they had to throw the racism card in there for good measure too. :n00b:
    I believe with the lifespan of a woman.
    Alright here’s the deal, I’m talking percentages, annualized, and Creedmoor is talking lifetime accumulation (I’m sure there’s a better term) so we’re both right, just using different labels.
    Rough math, if you add up the annual numbers from 1973 and divide by half the population it’s about 30%.

    I still can’t fathom thinking 1/4 of the women I know have had an abortion, but that’s me.

    Also I know I said I like numbers better than words, but I didn’t say I was any gooder with them, so thanks for getting me on the right path here KLB.
     
    • Like
    Reactions: KLB
    Top Bottom