Late stage capitalism part infinity: workers blocked by court from leaving job

[rooster]

Capitalism is dead change my mind.

If you don’t have the ability to move to a new job at will if your an “at will” employee then this country has officially moved to a form of corporate feudalism.

Judge grants ThedaCare temporary injunction in stroke team case

The majority of ThedaCare's comprehensive stroke care team accepted positions at Ascension Wisconsin.

www.wbay.com

 

[Twangbanger]

Capitalism is dead change my mind.

If you don’t have the ability to move to a new job at will if your an “at will” employee then this country has officially moved to a form of corporate feudalism.

Judge grants ThedaCare temporary injunction in stroke team case

The majority of ThedaCare's comprehensive stroke care team accepted positions at Ascension Wisconsin.

www.wbay.com

The "Laissez-Faire" concept has been dead for a while now, but I think "feudalism" could be a little strong of a term in this case:

"...The court action seeks to partner with Ascension Wisconsin for 90 days, giving ThedaCare enough time to fill those lost positions..."

Need to see what "partner" means in the context of this ruling.

The "anticapitalist" beef is between the hospitals, not really anything having to do with the workers. It doesn't sound like the workers will be gypped out of higher pay. It sounds like the new employer is going to be required to "subcontract" the workers back to their old employer, but at the higher rate of pay (I'm assuming), while the "raided" facility looks for other candidates.

But the "old" employer does seem to have some trouble figuring out the "free labor market" thing:

"...It is Ascension Wisconsin’s understanding that ThedaCare had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees..."

 

[BigRed]

Place looks more like USSR and PRC every day.

 

[rooster]

It doesn't sound like the workers will be gypped out of higher pay

why assume bc they are getting the same pay to be farmed back to the old job that they should be happy? Maybe they left a toxic and abusive management?

I keep hearing folks say “no one wants to work anymore” , no that’s factually incorrect. No one wants to work for YOU anymore

 

[Timjoebillybob]

why assume bc they are getting the same pay to be farmed back to the old job that they should be happy? Maybe they left a toxic and abusive management?

I keep hearing folks say “no one wants to work anymore” , no that’s factually incorrect. No one wants to work for YOU anymore

Not to mention from the one article I read they will have to be on call.

 

[Ark]

Getting stop-lossed at a private sector job, what a clown world.

Just say you're unvaxxed, they'll fire you on the spot.

 

[rooster]

Getting stop-lossed at a private sector job, what a clown world.

Just say you're unvaxxed, they'll fire you on the spot.

Another question about this stop loss, if you call off or refuse to go back to work for your old employer are you now in contempt of court?

Personally I think they should refuse and see if the court jails them.

 

[Tombs]

I guess the 13th amendment doesn't apply anymore?

 

[KLB]

Not to mention from the one article I read they will have to be on call.

It would seem that is a normal part of the job from the way I read the article.

 

[KLB]

Another question about this stop loss, if you call off or refuse to go back to work for your old employer are you now in contempt of court?

Personally I think they should refuse and see if the court jails them.

Sounds more like you are refusing your new employer and could be terminated.

 

[Ark]

Another question about this stop loss, if you call off or refuse to go back to work for your old employer are you now in contempt of court?

Personally I think they should refuse and see if the court jails them.

It seems extremely unlikely that any court would be stupid enough to attempt legally compelled private sector labor against an individual.

 

[Route 45]

Go Fund Me to the resuce.

ThedaCare Seven - ExEmployee Support Fund, organized by Martin Elkins

Update 1/24: The judge has lifted the injunction and the workers can begin t… Martin Elkins needs your support for ThedaCare Seven - ExEmployee Support Fund

www.gofundme.com

 

[actaeon277]

Another question about this stop loss, if you call off or refuse to go back to work for your old employer are you now in contempt of court?

Personally I think they should refuse and see if the court jails them.

And if you're in jail, then you're STILL NOT WITH your previous employer.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

It would seem that is a normal part of the job from the way I read the article.

The one hospital(suing) is required by their ranking to have them available at all times, the other does not (sued). And from another article one of the employees said it wasn't just pay, it was work life balance. I'm guessing less or no on call at the new employer.

What to know about the battle over Wisconsin health care workers now playing out in court

ThedaCare pursued legal action to prevent seven health care workers in Wisconsin from starting a new job at a nearby hospital.

www.postcrescent.com

 

[actaeon277]

Maybe don't **** off your workers and they'll stay (maybe)

 

[Twangbanger]

why assume bc they are getting the same pay to be farmed back to the old job that they should be happy? Maybe they left a toxic and abusive management?

I keep hearing folks say “no one wants to work anymore” , no that’s factually incorrect. No one wants to work for YOU anymore

I never said they should be happy. But I don't really see this as being that bad, for the workers. You seemed determined to see this as some kind of "new feudalism," and I just don't think you read the article very closely. Their "old" employer is very likely going to get reamed in this deal, because not only are the workers going to get their new rate of pay they signed on for, which the old employer originally refused to pay, I would also bet (again I'm surmising, because I'm not privvy to the specifics of the deal) that the new employer is going to tack-on a "contract fee." So the old employer is going to end up paying "even more" for these people than the amount they refused to match, plus the departing workers get a 90-day "victory lap" at their old place of employment, doing the bare minimum and basically flying the "backwards double-bird" at them the whole time. It is a "poetic justice" moment for the departing workers. 90 days of blowing kisses and sh!t-eating grins at their old employer, all the while knowing the company is paying a premium price for it.

This is exactly what it's going to take to get these kinds of places to start valuing their workers appropriately.

 

[jake blue]

Very similar situation going on at my aunt's employer. Many of her former coworkers have been leaving for a better paying employer, some literally next door. Her boss's boss came down to see if my aunt was also planning to leave but reiterated that they are merely 'talking about' if they could afford to offer pay raises in order to stem the tide of departures. Go figure.

 

[KellyinAvon]

ThedaCare could have followed the IU Health model: get the National Guard to come in after creating the shortage.

 

[Shadow01]

So you are technically employed by the new employer and reporting to the old employer? Show up, do nothing, the old employer can’t fire you if they are no longer your employer.

 

[KLB]

I never said they should be happy. But I don't really see this as being that bad, for the workers. You seemed determined to see this as some kind of "new feudalism," and I just don't think you read the article very closely. Their "old" employer is very likely going to get reamed in this deal, because not only are the workers going to get their new rate of pay they signed on for, which the old employer originally refused to pay, I would also bet (again I'm surmising, because I'm not privvy to the specifics of the deal) that the new employer is going to tack-on a "contract fee." So the old employer is going to end up paying "even more" for these people than the amount they refused to match, plus the departing workers get a 90-day "victory lap" at their old place of employment, doing the bare minimum and basically flying the "backwards double-bird" at them the whole time. It is a "poetic justice" moment for the departing workers. 90 days of blowing kisses and sh!t-eating grins at their old employer, all the while knowing the company is paying a premium price for it.

This is exactly what it's going to take to get these kinds of places to start valuing their workers appropriately.

Hard to do the bare minimum in a trauma and comprehensive stroke unit.