Is the War On Terror a Complete Hoax?

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  • Cerberus

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    The war on terror is not a hoax, but TPTB do not intend to actually win this war. It is much more useful to use as the eternal carrot dangled in front of the mindless sheeple's noses to continually advance a welfare/warfare/police state. We could have decisively won it in a year.
     

    Blackhawk2001

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    I don't think anyone doesn't think these things have happened, it's just that when laws such as the 'Patriot Act' are lying in the wings, ready to be enacted it causes one to pause.

    It's not that the events didn't occur, it's just how much the 'sheeple' are made to cry for 'safety' and ask for our rights to be taken away that it causes one to question if there was some collaboration of foreknowledge.

    Questions have never been answered, just belittled.

    You make a difficult argument to counter - because you have already made up your mind, apparently. It is true that there seem to be a subset of people who are perpetually prepared to use any crisis to their advantage, but as was said upthread, foreign terrorists have been targeting the West in general and us - and the Jews - in particular since the 70s.

    It isn't wrong to recognize a threat for what it is, and one of the few legitimate jobs of the Federal government is to protect us from threats outside the country. It's also not wrong to recognize that there has been plenty of opportunity for outside agents to enter this country for sinister purposes and that terror exponents have advocated that this be done.

    It's also true that there is a place for secrecy in conducting war and it doesn't serve the defenders well to tell the world what they know - or to have that information leaked to the world through a news media that feels that any secrets (but theirs) are fair game for publication.
     

    Blackhawk2001

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    The war on terror is not a hoax, but TPTB do not intend to actually win this war. It is much more useful to use as the eternal carrot dangled in front of the mindless sheeple's noses to continually advance a welfare/warfare/police state. We could have decisively won it in a year.

    I disagree with your thesis that we could have won a war on terrorists "decisively" in a year. Asymmetrical warfare on a world wide basis is far too complicated to expect a decisive series of victories in a single year. As long as humans nurse grievances to their breasts against other humans and can be taught or goaded into killing innocents to get their way, we will have "terrorists" and the particular ideology that drives the current wave of terrorism has been disseminated worldwide. And you don't win a war - any war - by telling your enemies when you intend to declare victory and leave the Area of Operations.
     

    civicisaye

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    Saying this once, just my :twocents:. Rothschild family. Promised bush oil, in return for control of the foreign countries banks. Just saying. Conspiracies have happened before ie JFK, MLK....
     

    mike8170

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    As it was said previously, the war on terror the US is in now has been going on for years. It just changed when the general public learned that we can be hit on our own soil. Before that, it was nothing but a 30 sec clip on the nightly news, usually reporting what happened in another nation.
     

    TheGhostRider

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    Here's my 2 pennies...

    The problem fighting a war on terror is the fact that the enemy doesn't wear a uniform for identification nor do they move in organized units.... they hide in plain sight... they can be of any nationality and be anybody's neighbor.
    The war on terror is real... and how to fight it will be debated for eternity.
    The patriot act is the not the result of terrorism so much as a well planned opportunity for uncle Sugar to grab power... "never let a crisis go to waste". Somewhat a of a knee jerk reaction to a situation without an easy solution.
    When confronted by an organized threat we are able to evaluate the act an respond accordingly. But how does one respond to terrorism? When you can see it coming, you can only respond after the fact.
    Fighting terrorism is a different animal altogether.
    Intel...
    Locate cells, infiltrate, determine leadership, method of operation, communication, funding.

    SOURCE...Countries that openly host terrorists should be on the list of things to destroy.

    But we don't do that... do we... nope.

    We call them up and scold them, threaten to reduce the handouts to them, have a meeting or three about what we should do following by the gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands... Then we start the process all over again with more reductions in handouts and this time "stronger" language and the cycle continues until we finally announce that were going red and sending in our troops.
    Let our troops do what they're good at... when the dust settles a little and we've determined that theirs nothing left to break and no one left to kill... we pack our **** and go home.
    Leave the mess behind... if we can't earn their respect through diplomacy then we earn it through shear force. Let's face it, PC BS doesn't earn respect or friends and "Shock and Awe" only means something if we don't hang around and handout band aids and bottled water after we kicked their butts.
    Let them worry about rebuilding their 3 world ***** hole and putting the pieces back together. The word gets around that if you play footsie with the USA you'll get stomped on and left in the dirt.
    These little ***** hole country's will start policing their own problems and bringing down their own terrorist "cuz we don't want the USA here"...
    I'd rather take it to them... but we need to make it count.
     

    Cerberus

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    I disagree with your thesis that we could have won a war on terrorists "decisively" in a year. Asymmetrical warfare on a world wide basis is far too complicated to expect a decisive series of victories in a single year. As long as humans nurse grievances to their breasts against other humans and can be taught or goaded into killing innocents to get their way, we will have "terrorists" and the particular ideology that drives the current wave of terrorism has been disseminated worldwide. And you don't win a war - any war - by telling your enemies when you intend to declare victory and leave the Area of Operations.

    Asymetrical warfare is won the same way any other type of warfare is won. We are not fighting to win, we are fighting to perpetuate.
     

    J_Wales

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    Asymetrical warfare is won the same way any other type of warfare is won. We are not fighting to win, we are fighting to perpetuate.

    Indeed.

    War means fighting. The business of the soldier is to fight. Armies are not called out to dig trenches, to live in camps, but to find the enemy and strike him; to invade his country, and do him all possible damage in the shortest possible time. This will involve great destruction of life and property while it lasts; but such a war will of necessity be of brief continuance, and so would be an economy of life and property in the end.
    -Jackson
     

    88GT

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    Wel,, let's see. We've got the first World Trade Towers bombing (1993). We had the beltway snipers, we had the shooters at Ft. Dix, we had the Ft. Hood massacre, we had the shootings at the recruiting station in Arkansas, we had the guy who tried to blow up his sneakers and the guy who tried to blow up his underwear. How many more incidents would YOU need to convince you that folks are trying to terrorize us? There are certainly elements in the government (hell, the whole "Administrative Branch" of government has a stake in bigger government) who will take advantage of any crisis to increase their power, but it's up to "we the people" to curb their power. To insist that the whole "terror thing" is a scam is typical hide-your-head-in-the-sand BS.

    Greg Garrison likes to quote a line from Kevin Costner in some movie: "If you listen to a man long enough, he will tell you his intentions" or something along those lines. The people who want to terrorize us have made no secret of their intentions and goals, all we have to do is listen to them and observe what they do when they get the chance.

    Let's not forget the USS Cole and Khobar Towers.

    But to hear some tell it, they are perfectly justified.

    so much freedom, lives, and money to fight the boogieman...

    That's the first time I've heard the bogey man blamed for a terrorist act, much less a series of them.
     

    mike8170

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    Let's not forget the USS Cole and Khobar Towers.

    But to hear some tell it, they are perfectly justified.



    That's the first time I've heard the bogey man blamed for a terrorist act, much less a series of them.

    Lets list some more terrorist attacks against the US:

    Achille Laurel
    Berlin Disco Bombing
    Marine Barracks, Beirut
    U.S. Embassy, Beirut

    When we jumped into Panama in '89, it was because there were problems with the Panamanian Defense Forces detaining, beating and threatening US service personnel. I think that is considered terroristic actions, since the goal was for the US to leave the country, and total control of the canal would be under Noriega. We fixed that s**t:D
     

    Constructionist

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    The corruption is only natural, a part of being human and the lust for power and control. Money is the root of all evil. It's not just a silly truism or "old addage" from the past. Money is the root of all evil was written down in the bible with all the other out dated funky stuff we have all but forgotten here in the 21st century.


    Steve L

    Nowhere in the Bible does it say money is the root of all evil. It say THE LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil.
     

    Blackhawk2001

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    Here's my 2 pennies...

    The problem fighting a war on terror is the fact that the enemy doesn't wear a uniform for identification nor do they move in organized units.... they hide in plain sight... they can be of any nationality and be anybody's neighbor.
    The war on terror is real... and how to fight it will be debated for eternity.
    The patriot act is the not the result of terrorism so much as a well planned opportunity for uncle Sugar to grab power... "never let a crisis go to waste". Somewhat a of a knee jerk reaction to a situation without an easy solution.
    When confronted by an organized threat we are able to evaluate the act an respond accordingly. But how does one respond to terrorism? When you can see it coming, you can only respond after the fact.
    Fighting terrorism is a different animal altogether.
    Intel...
    Locate cells, infiltrate, determine leadership, method of operation, communication, funding.

    SOURCE...Countries that openly host terrorists should be on the list of things to destroy.

    But we don't do that... do we... nope.

    We call them up and scold them, threaten to reduce the handouts to them, have a meeting or three about what we should do following by the gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands... Then we start the process all over again with more reductions in handouts and this time "stronger" language and the cycle continues until we finally announce that were going red and sending in our troops.
    Let our troops do what they're good at... when the dust settles a little and we've determined that theirs nothing left to break and no one left to kill... we pack our **** and go home.
    Leave the mess behind... if we can't earn their respect through diplomacy then we earn it through shear force. Let's face it, PC BS doesn't earn respect or friends and "Shock and Awe" only means something if we don't hang around and handout band aids and bottled water after we kicked their butts.
    Let them worry about rebuilding their 3 world ***** hole and putting the pieces back together. The word gets around that if you play footsie with the USA you'll get stomped on and left in the dirt.
    These little ***** hole country's will start policing their own problems and bringing down their own terrorist "cuz we don't want the USA here"...
    I'd rather take it to them... but we need to make it count
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    Asymetrical warfare is won the same way any other type of warfare is won. We are not fighting to win, we are fighting to perpetuate.

    Many of these countries which harbor terrorists, as opposed to those which sponsor terrorists, can't control their own countries, much less the terrorist organizations which inhabit them. What you're really saying is that we should "bomb these places back to the Stone Age", because we certainly don't have the forces available to assault/raid them all and destroy their ability to project terrorism. While that may seem like a peachy idea on the face of it, there are other powerful nations in the world who would look unkindly on such practices and we aren't strong enough to fight the rest of the world.

    Military actions, outside of "total war" are constrained by political considerations, both internally and externally. Asymmetrical warfare, contrary to your belief Cerberus, is NOT fought the same way as total war because the enemy can't be easily identified and defeated on the battlefield. Therefore the strategies and tactics used for fighting an asymmetric opponent can't be the same as used in conventional warfare. It is, by its very nature, a matter of finding ways to isolate the terrorists from the population and their internal and external support structures, while not playing into the terrorist's strategy of causing them to overreact and allowing public confidence in the local government to be
    undermined. There are no "lightning campaigns" that win against terrorist insurgencies, only correct strategies and tactics which are carried out long-term until the conditions that allow the terrorists credibility are removed and their power base is destroyed. We probably could have accomplished that in Iraq, had we done some things a bit differently; we aren't going to accomplish it in Afghanistan, but our current exit strategy is going to make us look worse than if we had just kicked out the Taliban, packed up and left.
     

    repeter1977

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    I would say that the War on Terror is not a hoax. I have been to camps in Iraq that were on terrorist training videos. As pointed out the MANY terrorist events that had happened before, but America was not awake to it, because most of them did not occur in America, OR have enough citizens killed to really make big headlines. Sept 11, changed that. As for people saying that we knew it was coming. Well, there is a chance, I will say that, course, there is also some 6 million or more pieces of intel that come out everyday. Which 100,000 are important enough to do something about, cause thats all the man power you have to check out. Are things really different now? Well, I would say look at the attempted attacks, that were not successful. Course, the problem is, for 70% or so of Americans, Life before Sep 11 and after aren't very different. In NYC a couple years back, there was a LARGE number of people that couldn't remember what YEAR this attack happened in, and it mostly happened in their city, so how is the rest of the nation going to remember with its microwave popcorn memory. Just my 2 cents. I still think there is a War on Terror, and its still very real,
     

    strahd71

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    the war on terror is real, but the use of the war on terror by our government to take a way our liberties is where the true terror lies.

    even though this statement is credited to the current administration i believe it is the mantra of all high level politicians "never let a crisis go to waste" oh look something happened now we can over react, over reach, and legislate personal liberty away for years to come"

    jake
     

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    Let's not forget the USS Cole and Khobar Towers.

    But to hear some tell it, they are perfectly justified.



    That's the first time I've heard the bogey man blamed for a terrorist act, much less a series of them.
    Every time somebody takes off their belt or shoes at the airport, the [STRIKE]terroris...[/STRIKE] I mean the boogy man wins...:cool:
     
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