If you’ve chosen not to take a Covid vaccine for whatever reason(s), it may be wise to reassess occasionally.

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CM, sorry to hear about this. I'm sure you have enough on your plate without heaping these situations on.

You are so right about the lies and deceit, though. I can see through it as well as you. At first I thought the vaccines were about exercising power by making people knuckle under. Gaining compliance and surrendering to authority certainly works in the favor who would turn our Constitutional Republic into a socialist or marxist "paradise". Then I started thinking that maybe the politicians are using their insider information to make money from their investments in pharmaceuticals. But no, there's even more to it than that, and the scary thing is, I don't know what the true motivation behind the coercion and mandates is.

Consider this: The vaccines are known to cause certain side effects in a small number of recipients. A couple of these things are pericarditis, and blood clotting issues. Then the government publishes a "fact sheet" that says that people who have chronic pericarditis should still get the vaccine, and that it's safe for them. Wait, what? If it can cause pericarditis in healthy people, how is it safe for people who already suffer from it?

Then, there's the blood clotting issues. The government "fact sheet" specifically mentions the prothrombin gene mutation as NOT being a contraindicator for the vaccines. I know most of you don't know what that is, but it's a genetic mutation that makes you more likely to have blood clots. It's a pretty rare condition, but it's specifically mentioned in government propaganda. Oops I meant "fact sheets". If such a rare condition is not an issue for the vaccine, WHY WOULD THEY EVEN MENTION IT? What is their motive for dismissing concerns from such a small sector of the population?

Why is the government advocating the use of these vaccines in populations that may suffer from their administration? It serves some goal, I'm sure, and I don't like to think about what that goal is, but I certainly do think about it. And I think I know what it is.

I have chronic pericarditis. I also have the prothrombin gene mutation, which has caused me to have 2 deep vein thrombosises (or whatever the plural is for that) in my leg, and a heart attack where I had a 100%, 90%, and 80% blockage, and I now have 3 stents in my chest. They want me to get this shot? No. Have it up yours.

Then there's the unknown long term side effects, because the vaccine hasn't actually been tested long term. Well at least by the manufacturers. It doesn't serve their interests to do so. But there are people who do research these things, because that is their mission, at least with regard to the effect on the heart. Of course, I'm taking about the American Heart Association. They aren't beholding to the pharmeceuticals, and they had this to say: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning.

One last point, about testing unvaccinated people while not testing vaccinated people for access to whatever workplaces or venues thay may want to enter. Whether you are vaccinated or unvaccinated, you can still be afflicted with, transmit, and even die from the COVID virus. Why only test the unvaccinated? Why not test the vaccinated too?

This is not about public health. It never has been. It's about compliance. It's about subjugation. It's about control. It's really about something more than that, but I'm not going to go deeper into it.

I hate to muck up this thread with this, but the OP's initial slur of "anti-vaxxer" combined with CM's lighting the fuse of the firecracker in my ass got me going. :abused:
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The vax has a shorter useful lifetime than people expect and is closer to a prophylactic than a vaccine.

This is why there's a panic over boosters now, and it isn't quack science, it's true. You would need a booster every 3 months if you believe the vaccine has the level of efficacy they clam it does. But they're very careful about explaining it to the public this way.

This shot isn't worth a damn and a proper vaccine needs developed.
My family were vaxxed very recently under pressure from know it all's. Cannot say when the folks in Black Forest were vaxxed.
 

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CM: the mRNA vaccines are very good at giving very good temporary protection. I haven't seen data on effectiveness of third shot yet, or delayed interval between first and second.

If you are "fully vaxed" and more than six months have passed, you need to realize your chance of catching COVID may only be 40% less than someone who has no immunity to it. Much less with Johnson and Johnson. Call that 15-20%.

If you're at risk, get the shot. Get the booster if you're really at risk. If you are unvax or it's been a while and you get COVID and have risks, get MAB.

Remove all political crap from your mind. COVID is real. COVID sucks. It WILL find you at least once. That's basically guaranteed. Don't walk into that fight unarmed because '"no one's gonna tell ME what to do". It's possible to do something that will help you while at the same time not doing it because someone demanded you do it. If you don't want it, fine. But not taking it, despite being at risk from COVID, because you're not going to give someone who has no idea who you are the satisfaction? Sorry, that's ridiculous.
Why do you say it is only 15-20 percent protection on the J&J. What study are you referencing. From the studies I have found only about 2% of those who received J&J have had a breakthrough case. Yes it is higher than the MRNA but not that much more. Also from the stories and reports I have read it is mainly those over 65 that if they have had a breakthrough ended up in the hospital or death (a very small percentage). My wife and I both lower 40’s received the J&J back in early April. We have been researching and discussing the boosters. We feel like the CDC & FDA are painting in broad strokes along with most in the media. I have looked at the latest information from Oregon’s, Oklahoma, CDC, & one other and I just don’t see where it really is highlighting that healthy early 40 year olds need to receive the booster. It seems like they are just trying to get everyone whether needed or not to take it and keep people scared so they can get more people to get the shot. I am for the vaccine but not real sure I am on board for shots every few months when they have to admit they just do not know enough and keep changing their mind. I do not want this as I do not have time for this crap. Anyways I would like to see the medical studies to learn more. Also I hate the fear mongering on the other side as well pushing false narratives about how the shots are killing/ permanent damage to so many. I have known many that have had COVID and luckily no serious issues I also have known several vaccinated and again no serious issues. As always the truth is probably in the middle.
 

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My family were vaxxed very recently under pressure from know it all's. Cannot say when the folks in Black Forest were vaxxed.
Well this is interesting, they got infected within 3 months of the vax?

The 3 month point is when efficacy drops to the 40% range.

I'm betting the reason for the 2 shot ordeal was down to them expecting it to be gone by the time people had 2 shots.
 

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Well this is interesting, they got infected within 3 months of the vax?

The 3 month point is when efficacy drops to the 40% range.

I'm betting the reason for the 2 shot ordeal was down to them expecting it to be gone by the time people had 2 shots.
Yes well inside that time line.

AS I grow near the end of my time on this rock I am almost glad save for the loved ones I hold so dear. The rest of these lying ****s can suck it.
 

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More shots more often equals more money for the pharmaceutical companies.

Yes, I can write that and still be personally in favor of getting the vaccine.


I just wish they'd stop calling it a vaccine, and call it what it really is.

There's no vaccine that drops in efficacy this fast. And it should have been an obvious conclusion since it's mRNA based, that the quantity of RNA in the vax is vastly disproportionate to the RNA in your body, so it will be erased rather quickly.

It's gene therapy.
 

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Thanks for the assist. I don't know why the link didn't work, but I fixed it up. Sorta.
So the protein biomarkers scored in the PLUS test fall in several months after second dose of the mRNA vaccines? Yet the abstract uses the phrase “five-year risk”? How is this possible?

As for now, the risk seems worth it, at least to me.

Sorry if I’m slow on the uptake here, I’ve had about four beers and I’m really tired.
 

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Fair point on my choice of words. It opened up the thread to be taken in political directions, which wasn’t my intent in posting it. Others’ risk assessment is their choice. I’m going to change the title of the OP to something less polarizing.
It's OK. I know that term has been thrown around lately, and applied to people who are not anti-vaccination, just anti-THIS vaccination. All my kids are vaccinated with time-proven, ACTUAL vaccines (you know, the ones that almost certainly PREVENT infection). Maybe not on the scheduled scheme the doctors have, but vaccinated nonetheless.
 

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So the protein biomarkers scored in the PLUS test fall in several months after second dose of the mRNA vaccines? Yet the abstract uses the phrase “five-year risk”? How is this possible?

As for now, the risk seems worth it, at least to me.

Sorry if I’m slow on the uptake here, I’ve had about four beers and I’m really tired.
That's the point, isn't it? Nobody really knows what the long term effects of this vaccine are. Many "scientists" are making projections, but NONE of them collect data like the American Heart Association. NONE. When the AHA expresses concern, I am also concerned. Not just concerned, but INVOLVED. Like when the farmer wants bacon and eggs for breakfast. The chicken is concerned, but the pig is involved.

I'm involved, because this rare condition that I have, the prothrombrin thing, has been specifally mentioned in the government literature as NOT being a contraindication. Why? Why does the government want me to get a shot when they know that the shot might just kill me?

We know the risks associated with the Polio vaccine. It's been nearly a hundred years since that was developed, and it's much safer now than when it was first developed. Many people got afflicted with polio because of the vaccine. My 3rd grade girlfriend was one of those people. That was like 40 years ago.

You want to force or coerce me to take an experimental drug? Yeah, that's not going to work out well.
 

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Friend got the vax seven months ago. Last week was feeling bad and tested positive for COVID. Thinks that without the vax, his symptons would be a lot worse.
 

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What nobody is recognizing is that the scientist's efforts to increase gain of function has been successful.

What nobody knows is in what spectrum were those scientist trying to increase gain of function.

The 2019 iteration of COVID is certainly killing people. But it is very unclear what the common denominator is. My High School English teacher died from COVID. I'm not sure if he had any co-morbidity issues (maybe diabetes). He was only 10-ish years older than I am.

We believe both of our boys got it in December & January of 2019-2020. We've not had any more than mild flu symptoms at numerous times since then. Our EMS son was working a dedicated COVID truck for months while he was still living here. I'm sure we've been exposed, but so far so good.

So, what are we lacking in our DNA that thankfully is not killing us by infection via COVID-19?
This is the most important question I have. Why does it impact people so differently? What is it about our genetic makeup that makes some young, healthy people die while sometimes old, sick people are just fine. Is it us individually, or something about strains of the virus? I had it almost a year ago. If I catch it again, will I experience the same mild symptoms or could I die next time? It’s just so unpredictable.
 

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We definitely need a vaccine for this sickness. What fauci is selling is not what it needs to be.
When the polio vaccine was released and someone died. they stopped it completely and went back to the lab and got it right.

Are you talking about the Cutter incident? 5 people died, and it wasn't an issue with the vaccine it was an issue with one batch from one lab. The doses were live Polio in high concentrations.
 

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Why do you say it is only 15-20 percent protection on the J&J. What study are you referencing. From the studies I have found only about 2% of those who received J&J have had a breakthrough case. Yes it is higher than the MRNA but not that much more. Also from the stories and reports I have read it is mainly those over 65 that if they have had a breakthrough ended up in the hospital or death (a very small percentage). My wife and I both lower 40’s received the J&J back in early April. We have been researching and discussing the boosters. We feel like the CDC & FDA are painting in broad strokes along with most in the media. I have looked at the latest information from Oregon’s, Oklahoma, CDC, & one other and I just don’t see where it really is highlighting that healthy early 40 year olds need to receive the booster. It seems like they are just trying to get everyone whether needed or not to take it and keep people scared so they can get more people to get the shot. I am for the vaccine but not real sure I am on board for shots every few months when they have to admit they just do not know enough and keep changing their mind. I do not want this as I do not have time for this crap. Anyways I would like to see the medical studies to learn more. Also I hate the fear mongering on the other side as well pushing false narratives about how the shots are killing/ permanent damage to so many. I have known many that have had COVID and luckily no serious issues I also have known several vaccinated and again no serious issues. As always the truth is probably in the middle.

Unending boosters will be hard to sell. But they rushed the second shot to provide decent immediate protection, with the expectation it would require further shots. People were dying like crazy. Really did need to get immunity up for near term. Once past that, can work on the longer term, hence third shot. But it wasn"t sold like that, and it should have been.

But they really don't know how many will ultimately be needed. mRNA doesn't give as a robust of an immune response. It's only agaisnt spike protein. If you get COVID, you make antibodies to like 20+ different proteins. Which is likely to offer better protection?
 

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First, prayers to you and to your friend and their family.

Other than that, you're right that people need to constantly evaluate what is right for them and their families, but there is no way in hell I'm getting the jab. I've read far to much information showing that the side effects are being suppressed and long term effects are unknown. I've either not had the WuFlu, or had it and recovered. I'm worried, but only mildly. If I do get it I'll take Ivermectin and get the monoclonal antibodies, because I feel those offer the best chance of recovery. The government and anyone pushing the jab can go spit.
 

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First, prayers to you and to your friend and their family.

Other than that, you're right that people need to constantly evaluate what is right for them and their families, but there is no way in hell I'm getting the jab. I've read far to much information showing that the side effects are being suppressed and long term effects are unknown. I've either not had the WuFlu, or had it and recovered. I'm worried, but only mildly. If I do get it I'll take Ivermectin and get the monoclonal antibodies, because I feel those offer the best chance of recovery. The government and anyone pushing the jab can go spit.
100%.....I just hope we don't have a thread that starts..."3 years after I got my Covid vaccines this is happening to my body like millions of others, I never should of takin it."

A retired Marine friend of mine in his 60's just got covid, waited to get tested and on day 9 was really bad. Told him get the infusion and next day he was able to get to a hospital and get it.....next day was way better. My father in law and mother in law same way at age 79, and their friends they thought weren't going to make it in their mid 90's. But they all got the infusion and next day were recovering and feeling way better. This is my plan also if need be. May the people that invented this mess and killed so many for their big $$$$ gain and power be judged without mercy.
 

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I had the single dose in April, my wife has yet to get it. We both had the virus last year. I feel badly at the politicization of this virus and more so with the alleged vaccine. The denial that anything else should work scares me. The lies are so abundant it is astonishing. Data is useless because we all know it has been tainted/manipulated.

I truly feel if the government did not turn this into a political circus, people would be waiting in lines to get it.

I am troubled bu it all.
 

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