How to Hide From Drones: Lessons Learned in Modern War

[bwframe]

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[Magyars]

Can we get a synopsis?
I'm on limited hi speed and would like an idea before I watch a half HR video.
Thnx

 

[rosejm]

Can we get a synopsis?

But the video has some really good examples of what to do and what NOT to do when it comes to aerial detection.
I especially enjoyed the "hidden" Marine platoon, that didn't cover their ingress/egress tracks.

Feel free to drop the quality down, as the real meat is audio. In fact, quite a few of their other "videos" are audio only.

 

[snorko]

Anyone remember the book from the late 1980s or early 1990s titled something like "David and Goliath"? It was all about fighting an asymmetrical war and tactics for fighting tanks, helicopters, etc.

I vaguely remember one tactic of using a bow & arrow to launch a rope over the blades of a helicopter, entangling them in the process.

For entertainment purposes only of course.

<-----1980s kid who read SOF.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Here's the manual the video is talking about...

http://www.2ndbn5thmar.com/camouflage/Camouflage%20SOP.pdf

OK, nothing magical in the video, mostly common sense.

Here's their full play list for camouflage... (take the spaces out, the forum software keeps pushing it into MEDIA)

https://youtube.com/ playlist?list= PL93ufUXbUR1rq3gcBv-3QsUOb4vpVrwKd

 

[Blackhawk2001]

I've just recently discovered this site. This guy has videos on a variety of tops relating to both sides of "insurgency operations." The videos are also on "odysee.com" in case YT decides to take his videos down.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I vaguely remember one tactic of using a bow & arrow to launch a rope over the blades of a helicopter, entangling them in the process.

I'm going to throw the BS flag on this one. IIRC, military helicopter blades can cut through wrist thick branches and foilage without crippling the chopper, and you'd have to be a hell of a shot to get a rope through the blade arc of a moving chopper.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Anyone remember the book from the late 1980s or early 1990s titled something like "David and Goliath"? It was all about fighting an asymmetrical war and tactics for fighting tanks, helicopters, etc.

I vaguely remember one tactic of using a bow & arrow to launch a rope over the blades of a helicopter, entangling them in the process.

For entertainment purposes only of course.

<-----1980s kid who read SOF.

I recall that as well, also a kid who had an SOF subscription.

Not rope, cable, and not bow & arrow. IIRC they were launching more of a harpoon with cable attached, across a valley as the Soviet helicopters were flying through.

Could have been an urban legend or disinformation to throw the soviets off the scent of stingers, I guess.

 

[jsx1043]

Radio signals as well...

Radio Contra Episode 64: Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) for the Partisan - American Partisan

Radio Contra Episode 64: I cover a reader’s question on […]

www.americanpartisan.org

 

[Blackhawk2001]

You'd have to use a cable, tie it to something substantial, and be _extremely_ lucky to get the cable between the top wire strike protection cutter and the rotor hub. If the cable didn't break, it might crush or dislodge the helicopter rotor control links - which WOULD cause the helicopter to crash.

That would be _possible_, but highly unlikely.

 

[Cameramonkey]

You'd have to use a cable, tie it to something substantial, and be _extremely_ lucky to get the cable between the top wire strike protection cutter and the rotor hub. If the cable didn't break, it might crush or dislodge the helicopter rotor control links - which WOULD cause the helicopter to crash.

That would be _possible_, but highly unlikely.

And more likely to just get the crew's attention, and probably induce some extra vibrations that would cause them to lean toward returning to base if they didnt haven something mission critical to complete. E.g. dissuade a regular patrol with nothing better to do...

But then again, somebody firing a cable up at you to try to crash you/kill you would probably shift the mission pretty fast. They would probably leave, but other gunships with fully functional rotors would soon appear to replace them. So if thats you, fire and then un-ass your position, post-haste.

And after all that, remember we arent talking about Cobras, Blackhawks, and Apaches. The OP is about drones. So I think we may have strayed from the original intent. But then again, you can probably hit the rotor profile of one of those. Hitting the super tiny rotor profile of a drone with a bow/arrow/line? Good luck with that.

 

[thompal]

I'm going to throw the BS flag on this one. IIRC, military helicopter blades can cut through wrist thick branches and foilage without crippling the chopper, and you'd have to be a hell of a shot to get a rope through the blade arc of a moving chopper.

Not to mention the impossibility of shooting an arrow a few hundred feet nearly straight up with a rope hooked to it.

 

[DragonGunner]

I would imagine drones have a thingy to pick up heat signatures. So even camaflauged and at night won't help. Going to have to break out the aluminum foil and even that will only work for a short time before it heats up. Going to be a real pain ain't it.

 

[indyartisan]

If hiding under your bed is not an option and maybe you want to take a more active approach.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

And more likely to just get the crew's attention, and probably induce some extra vibrations that would cause them to lean toward returning to base if they didnt haven something mission critical to complete. E.g. dissuade a regular patrol with nothing better to do...

But then again, somebody firing a cable up at you to try to crash you/kill you would probably shift the mission pretty fast. They would probably leave, but other gunships with fully functional rotors would soon appear to replace them. So if thats you, fire and then un-ass your position, post-haste.

And after all that, remember we arent talking about Cobras, Blackhawks, and Apaches. The OP is about drones. So I think we may have strayed from the original intent. But then again, you can probably hit the rotor profile of one of those. Hitting the super tiny rotor profile of a drone with a bow/arrow/line? Good luck with that.

Same is true of hitting that tiny gap between the WSPS (Wire Strike Protection System) on the Black Hawk or the Apache. Cobras or Kiowas have the WSPS, but their rotor masts and control links are much more exposed. OTOH, unless you're operating from an altitude about level with their altitude, getting the cable through that gap is going to be miraculous - and is likely to get you shot at.

 

[Leadeye]

I can't imagine why anybody with a drone, let alone a helicopter would be interested in my home.

 

[88E30M50]

I can't imagine why anybody with a drone, let alone a helicopter would be interested in my home.

They might be after the home brew wine

 

[Leadeye]

They might be after the home brew wine

Yellow jackets seem to like it this time of year, maybe you're right.

 

[bwframe]

I can't imagine why anybody with a drone, let alone a helicopter would be interested in my home.

Have you had your jab?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I can't imagine why anybody with a drone, let alone a helicopter would be interested in my home.

I keep a thong handy just for this. Slip it on and then practice your dance moves in the yard.

It doesn't hide you from the drone, but it will disable the operator.