How long will gun manufacturers keep headquartered in blue states?

[RCB]

I just saw today that Ruger is getting sued over a murderer in Colorado two years ago. Ruger has chosen to stay in Connecticut where the court has allowed these people to file a lawsuit despite the Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. Even if they win, the legal costs are transferred to us in the end, if they don't go bankrupt. Much like the NRA, at this point it is begging for lawfare against them to remain in these ultra blue states.

I understand going to where the fight is, but there isn't any fight there. It's wholly controlled by tyrants. I know they don't want to disrupt the lives of their employees, but I bet bankruptcy would be even more disruptive. I'd much rather see an arms manufacturer move into Indiana rather than another pharma facility.

 

[Cavman]

I just saw today that Ruger is getting sued over a murderer in Colorado two years ago. Ruger has chosen to stay in Connecticut where the court has allowed these people to file a lawsuit despite the Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. Even if they win, the legal costs are transferred to us in the end, if they don't go bankrupt. Much like the NRA, at this point it is begging for lawfare against them to remain in these ultra blue states.

I understand going to where the fight is, but there isn't any fight there. It's wholly controlled by tyrants. I know they don't want to disrupt the lives of their employees, but I bet bankruptcy would be even more disruptive. I'd much rather see an arms manufacturer move into Indiana rather than another pharma facility.

I know smith and wesson is moving to Tennessee. Maybe if we had a good republican governor he would try and get these companies to come to Indiana instead of going overseas to try and get companies to come here.

 

[RCB]

I've started seeing more people at primary elections. I'm hoping we have a chance of getting a more conservative gubernatorial candidate next time. I think Braun is considering running. He's better than Young to be certain.
I've been fairly off put by Holcomb and Daniels. The fact that we still have DST is a testament to how many still side with them.

 

[bgcatty]

Of all the manufacturers in Anti 2A States, Henry is still sitting in New Jersey! OMG! Can you imagine a more hostile 2A environment? Henry has a factory in Wisconsin and we can only hope Henry would “get outta Dodge” and consider Indiana. If Ruger could move Marlin, Henry could move itself with no problems. The employees would get a pay raise just by moving here vis-a-vis general taxes, property taxes, cost of living, insurance, etc. If only our leaders in Indiana would quit soliciting out of country companies and concentrate on companies like Henry it would be a win-win all the way around. My !

 

[Cavman]

Of all the manufacturers in Anti 2A States, Henry is still sitting in New Jersey! OMG! Can you imagine a more hostile 2A environment? Henry has a factory in Wisconsin and we can only hope Henry would “get outta Dodge” and consider Indiana. If Ruger could move Marlin, Henry could move itself with no problems. The employees would get a pay raise just by moving here vis-a-vis general taxes, property taxes, cost of living, insurance, etc. If only our leaders in Indiana would quit soliciting out of country companies and concentrate on companies like Henry it would be a win-win all the way around. My !

Our "leaders" would rather buy up precious farm land and give it to the pharma. They should definitely be promoting firearm manufacturing here in indiana. Looknhow much r&d already goes on at crane for the military. Would could be the IT state for firearms

 

[Ingomike]

The fact that we still have DST is a testament to how many still side with them.

What the heck does this have to do with the topic? DST is a federal issue and we need to be on consistent time with our neighbors.

 

[Denny347]

How long? They'll move if/when it makes financial sense. Moving for the principle of it is fine but bills come first.

 

[BigMoose]

Goes for a number of gun makers, they have ether moved out of these states, or will have to.

It is just not reasons above. Some of these states have onerous laws that help Unions force pretty obnoxious terms on anyone building things in them. So sometimes you don't want those employees to follow.

As to Indiana.. We have never had the greatest gunmaking culture, and labor is still yet cheaper further south.

 

[RCB]

How long? They'll move if/when it makes financial sense. Moving for the principle of it is fine but bills come first.

After they're sued for millions upon millions will bankrupt them before they can move. Just the legal costs. It seems to be a hazard to HQ in a state where they can circumvent existing law and get a left wing judge to go along. It has nothing to do with principle, I am just talking about the money. At this point any company that can't see the writing on the wall, better wake up or just prepare to go bankrupt.

 

[Expat]

Isn't DSA still up in the Chicago area? Talk about sleeping with the enemy.

 

[cg21]

I've started seeing more people at primary elections. I'm hoping we have a chance of getting a more conservative gubernatorial candidate next time. I think Braun is considering running. He's better than Young to be certain.
I've been fairly off put by Holcomb and Daniels. The fact that we still have DST is a testament to how many still side with them.

I wish Rainwater would do what is necessary to run with an R instead of an I. Not sure what that would entail or if even possible. He has a good message but the ”I” will keep him from the position no matter what his views are, love the 2 party or hate it is a reality.

 

[BigMoose]

RRA and Springfield Armory are both in Illinois.

 

[RCB]

RRA and Springfield Armory are both in Illinois.

Yeah, it's almost suicide at this point. I'm really surprised Springfield isn't knee deep in litigation yet.

 

[Winamac]

RRA and Springfield Armory are both in Illinois.

^^^ As my friends and I call it "Peoples Republic of Illinois"

 

[04FXSTS]

Les Baer moved out of the crap state of illinois several years ago. Not a big move they were close to Iowa so just moved over the state line so did not impact their employees much. IIRC a lot of their employees already lived there. Jim.

 

[Creedmoor]

Manufacturing tend to build in Cities that have workers availible that are trained already for the most part.
Thats why cities like Anderson, Kokomo, Marion and those like it across America keep keeping and getting those plants.
And towns like Alexandria, Summitville and Fairmont will never get a plant built in or next to towns like them.
Plants gotta have workers living close by.

 

[JAL]

Aero Precision is still sitting in Washington State, although they moved to another city when the one they were in decided they were going to try to tax them out of business. Puzzles me some why they didn't move to Idaho.

I know part of the problem is relocating manufacturing facilities. I've moved major manufacturing lines. That's not a simple task, and invariably tooling and machines are damaged during the move, in spite of best effort to prevent it. It's not like someone moving to a new house or apartment. Precision machines and tooling must then be recalibrated to ensure they're running within specifications after being reinstalled. Industrial manufacturing facilities have all sorts of utility requirements, and must comply with OSHA and EPA regulations, and their local equivalent. Another major issue is employee knowledge and skill. Not all employees can make the move, and you lose the detailed knowledge they possess that makes stuff work well in a manufacturing line, in spite of best efforts to document it. Nothing can completely replace experience. Moving manufacturing facilities requires considerable forward planning and don't come cheap.

Nevertheless, with what Inslee is about to sign, most likely next month, that may be the tipping point for Aero Precision to leave the state.

 

[2tonic]

Of all the manufacturers in Anti 2A States, Henry is still sitting in New Jersey! OMG! Can you imagine a more hostile 2A environment? .......

Dan Wesson is in NY. Colt is in Hartford, Connecticut.
I always found it humorous that Paraordnance was in Canada, where none of their products could be sold.

 

[Leo]

Dan Wesson is in NY. Colt is in Hartford, Connecticut.
I always found it humorous that Paraordnance was in Canada, where none of their products could be sold.

pretty sure a lot of Brownings are made in japan where the workers cannot buy them. A lot of strange things happen whenever a government gets involved.