How fast is your draw?

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I’m thinking about focusing on getting as good as I can with a single gun as well this year. I’ve been cycling through several to see if there’s a standout before I choose what to focus on though. Nothing really stands out just yet.

The P229 platform makes a lot of sense for me in that I can run the same pistol as a 9mm with irons, 9mm red dot, .357 Sig with irons and .40 with irons. Another contender is the P10C.
I don't really have a standout either but your idea of running a similar platform is a good idea.

If I run my Shield exclusively, I could probably do pretty well in BUG matches. :)
 

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Can't believe we're 7 pages in and no Jim Zubiena/Miami Vice or Tom Cruise/Collateral posts.

Welp, here's a twofer to give us something to aspire to...



For the record, I'm not quite as fast as either. I mean, add 2.0 to whatever time they're doin and I'm right there.:whistle:
 

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Dang, Zubiena was lightening fast in that clip.
Legend was he walked in off the street and did it one take.

Saw an interview with him where he said it actually took 7-8 takes because the hammer kept hanging up on his rubber gloves.

And he didn't exactly walk in off the street. He was already a firearms consultant for the show. The director knew no actor could pull that off and look real, so he drafted him.
 

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Dang, Zubiena was lightening fast in that clip.
The nerds who broke it down came to the answer of a 1.38 Failure to Stop from surrender. I haven't done it, but plenty have matched the performance and it was the basis for Chris Long's Vice Card Challenge. 50 patches were awarded for folks meeting the challenge, including some recognizable names in the training sector. Here's the site explaining further for those interested.

 

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The nerds who broke it down came to the answer of a 1.38 Failure to Stop from surrender. I haven't done it, but plenty have matched the performance and it was the basis for Chris Long's Vice Card Challenge. 50 patches were awarded for folks meeting the challenge, including some recognizable names in the training sector. Here's the site explaining further for those interested.

So as a technical performance that is very impressive. Not sure what my time would be but not that fast. For a real world application it sure doesn't give much time to asses after the body shots. As you know I am not the guy to run around yelling training scar willy nilly, but that could be an example.
 

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So as a technical performance that is very impressive. Not sure what my time would be but not that fast. For a real world application it sure doesn't give much time to asses after the body shots. As you know I am not the guy to run around yelling training scar willy nilly, but that could be an example.
Certainly agree. Most of the guys i know that got the patch looked at it as a technical challenge and it took many attempts and they finally pulled it together for a passing run.

I think it is in how you approach it. For me, i don't go into a match or one of the ig shooting challenges with the same mindset and approach as defensive oriented shooting. One I'm consciously thinking and applying high technical shooting skill and the other I'm using thoughtfulness and deliberate application of my skillset.

There's some blur or overlap because it's necessary to push yourself beyond your current level to improve on either side. But the training scar thing seems like your mindset while doing this kind of thing would be the determining factor. We should be able to differentiate and recognize when we're doing one and not the other.
 

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Certainly agree. Most of the guys i know that got the patch looked at it as a technical challenge and it took many attempts and they finally pulled it together for a passing run.

I think it is in how you approach it. For me, i don't go into a match or one of the ig shooting challenges with the same mindset and approach as defensive oriented shooting. One I'm consciously thinking and applying high technical shooting skill and the other I'm using thoughtfulness and deliberate application of my skillset.

There's some blur or overlap because it's necessary to push yourself beyond your current level to improve on either side. But the training scar thing seems like your mindset while doing this kind of thing would be the determining factor. We should be able to differentiate and recognize when we're doing one and not the other.
I tend to agree with that, and then I listen to guys like DB and some other BTDT types and they say it ain't so.
 

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I tend to agree with that, and then I listen to guys like DB and some other BTDT types and they say it ain't so.
And who am i to tell them they're wrong. I'm just some hobbyist on the internet. ;)

I certainly would tell anybody following the thread to listen to DB. If I'm wrong then i will have to accept the consequences and it's my cross to bear. I'm not convinced and maybe that's to my detriment.
 

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And who am i to tell them they're wrong. I'm just some hobbyist on the internet. ;)

I certainly would tell anybody following the thread to listen to DB. If I'm wrong then i will have to accept the consequences and it's my cross to bear. I'm not convinced and maybe that's to my detriment.
I guess I am a post turtle on this subject, it depends who I am talking to. When I worked LE and had occasion to be in these situations I didn't have nearly the level of training I do now so I can't really say from my own experience.
 

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I tend to agree with that, and then I listen to guys like DB and some other BTDT types and they say it ain't so.
I had another thought while pondering this - do you (hypothetical you) think that running the f2s on this challenge for a week, pushing past your ability and simply trying to meet the challenge, would be enough to create a training scar if you normally practice a f2s with deliberateness and at a more controlled pace otherwise. What about the f2s stage during a run of the gabe white standards? How much does it take to create the scar etc....
 

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I had another thought while pondering this - do you (hypothetical you) think that running the f2s on this challenge for a week, pushing past your ability and simply trying to meet the challenge, would be enough to create a training scar if you normally practice a f2s with deliberateness and at a more controlled pace otherwise. What about the f2s stage during a run of the gabe white standards? How much does it take to create the scar etc....
That is pretty much the line of thinking I was having earlier today when thinking of responding to this thread. I think if you make sure to not only do it balls out, but include practice using care to have assessment time figured in whether that be through use of a different target (say 3D or photo realistic) or modified drills, you should be fine.
 

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