Hospital carry

[KittySlayer]

If there was video of you stopping, staring at it, your lips moving as your finger drags along the words...

In the running for internet post of the day.

Are you going to give the name of the INGO member you saw reading the sign or is that secret police information?

 

[kickbacked]

What about signs that say its illegal to record any conversations in a building? I recently saw that in a Dr's office and told them I dont think that sign carries any weight. It's my understanding in the state of Indiana only one party of the conversation needs to know it's recorded because in an abusive situation another party's actions may change knowing they are being recorded.

 

[Cameramonkey]

What about signs that say its illegal to record any conversations in a building? I recently saw that in a Dr's office and told them I dont think that sign carries any weight. It's my understanding in the state of Indiana only one party of the conversation needs to know it's recorded because in an abusive situation another party's actions may change knowing they are being recorded.

IANAL but I know this is correct. Doctor's office sign isnt true unless that exists in the AC in regards to medical offices for privacy issues, or to prevent you from accidentally recording a nearby conversation that neither party is aware of what you are doing?

Understand there are 3 different kinds of laws/rules signs refer to.

Criminal law: Laws in the Indiana Code (IC). Those are the "go to jail or pay a big fine, and oh, by the way this goes on your permanent record" laws.

Administrative Code (AC): Those are more along the lines of "rules". Not a crime, but against the state's rules. Carrying a gun during the state fair is one of those. In that case you wont go to jail but they'll escort you off property if you arent a belligerent jerk about it.

Private property rules: rules made up by the property owner. That sign you saw is likely under this category. He could also have a sign that says no citrus fruit allowed on thursdays. or You must wear black on Mondays to enter. All enforceable... by asking you to leave and having you trespassed if you refuse. But its not illegal.

I wonder if the sign was sloppily crafted using misleading language? Just because I say its a rule in my building, doesnt mean its "illegal". But some idiots like to abuse language to mislead you into believing their RULE is a LAW to gain compliance.

I would have asked them to show their work. Ask them to tell you under what IC statute it is considered illegal. "Sorry, if you post that it is illegal, you should be able to prove where in the law it is written to back up your sign. If you cant point out exactly how/where it is illegal, how do you know it really is? Gotta be able to show your work."

 

[BehindBlueI's]

What about signs that say its illegal to record any conversations in a building? I recently saw that in a Dr's office and told them I dont think that sign carries any weight. It's my understanding in the state of Indiana only one party of the conversation needs to know it's recorded because in an abusive situation another party's actions may change knowing they are being recorded.

No law that I'm aware of, absent the trespass should you fail to leave if asked.

 

[Thegeek]

I think the burden needs to shift away from the gun owners. GFZs are stupid to begin with, but I have one example that just screams. I went to vote at a church several years ago. Within that church was a state licensed school. So, the church property became a school under the GFZ law. There was NOTHING outside the building, nor on any door that says "school". It is undue burden to force every person who carries a gun in the state to have to contact every place they're going to visit and ask if they're a school or secure area.

Furthermore, the GFZ also include Army Corps of Engineers land. Um, why? Most of it is public use anyway. Nothing secure about it. We really need to go on the offensive regarding GFZs.

 

[bwframe]

I'll never forget, early in my INGO experience, some of the "outrageous" folks who spoke of being the only one responsible for the safety of themselves and those around them. Those folks seemed crazy to be talking of carrying at gun-free zones like The Shot Show and Indy 1500.

Crazy...

 

[carry205]

Mrs. Bigtanker was having a health issue this morning and she got her first ride in an ambulance (She's fine now btw).

I was in the lobby talking on the phone and the security guard noticed my Leatherman and my Kershaw clipped to my pants. He asked me to return them to my vehicle as they are against the weapons policy.

I wanted to lift up my sweater and ask if I this (my edc) is ok or not. But I bit my lip and returned the knives to my vehicle. My pistol stayed with me.

I know this hospital is not a prohobited place so I'm good!

Mrs. Bigtanker was having a health issue this morning and she got her first ride in an ambulance (She's fine now btw).

I was in the lobby talking on the phone and the security guard noticed my Leatherman and my Kershaw clipped to my pants. He asked me to return them to my vehicle as they are against the weapons policy.

I wanted to lift up my sweater and ask if I this (my edc) is ok or not. But I bit my lip and returned the knives to my vehicle. My pistol stayed with me.

I know this hospital is not a prohobited place so I'm good!

Great story. This reminds me of the time i had an encounter with an overzealous security guard.
I retired in May of 2020, but before I did, about 3 months prior, I had to visit a local Social Security office to deliver a couple of forms that they needed to clarify and certify my claim. So I downloaded the forms, filled them out and drove over to the Soc. Sec. office after work the next day. I got there about an hour before closing, and there was about 6 people in line in front of me. I logged in my presence on the computer kiosk set up in the lobby, there were 4 windows for servicing patrons, 2 were manned. I took a seat in the waiting room, next to a desk with a radio charging station, some keys, and a security jacket hanging over the back of the chair.
About 10 minutes later, this big,young guard comes sauntering into the office. He sat down at his desk, and I noticed he was staring at me. I didn’t pay too much attention to him. One window was finishing up with their client, the next client merely stood up from her chair. Next thing I hear is this big booming voice tell this older lady: “Ma’am, they will call your number when they are ready!” She sat back down, and literally 3 seconds later they called her number. I shot this big jerk a look. I clearly thought he enjoyed his moment of authority. Soon after, he got up from his desk and went over to the vestibule door and locked it. I guess it was closing time.
So it was finally my turn. I stayed in my seat to be sure I didn’t rile him up again. They called my number, I gave the guy my paperwork I needed to turn in, he asked me 2 or 3 questions, and I was done. I headed for the door, and here comes Mr big security guard. I exited one door, he was right behind me, he had to unlock the door. As he let me out, he said,” Next time, leave the weapon in your car.” I looked down, and I had my folding razor blade knife clipped to my pocket. I said, “Oh, sorry, I just drove here from work, I work in Maintenance, and I carry and use this for work and just forgot about it.” Mr. Attitude tapped the sign about no weapons. I couldn’t hold back. I retorted, “I didn’t know the Social Security office here was such a hot bed of terrorism!” He glared at me out the door and to my truck. As I got in my truck, I yelled out, “Barney Fife! Don’t worry, I won’t ever be back here, I’m moving, bye!”
Some guys. Give them a little badge, and they go all mr. badass. I laughed all the way home.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Furthermore, the GFZ also include Army Corps of Engineers land. Um, why? Most of it is public use anyway. Nothing secure about it. We really need to go on the offensive regarding GFZs.

I didn't even know that was still a thing. Apparently you can carry to hunt/target shoot but need prior permission to carry concealed?

Well, now that I know I'll certainly

 

[Cameramonkey]

Great story. This reminds me of the time i had an encounter with an overzealous security guard.
I retired in May of 2020, but before I did, about 3 months prior, I had to visit a local Social Security office to deliver a couple of forms that they needed to clarify and certify my claim. So I downloaded the forms, filled them out and drove over to the Soc. Sec. office after work the next day. I got there about an hour before closing, and there was about 6 people in line in front of me. I logged in my presence on the computer kiosk set up in the lobby, there were 4 windows for servicing patrons, 2 were manned. I took a seat in the waiting room, next to a desk with a radio charging station, some keys, and a security jacket hanging over the back of the chair.
About 10 minutes later, this big,young guard comes sauntering into the office. He sat down at his desk, and I noticed he was staring at me. I didn’t pay too much attention to him. One window was finishing up with their client, the next client merely stood up from her chair. Next thing I hear is this big booming voice tell this older lady: “Ma’am, they will call your number when they are ready!” She sat back down, and literally 3 seconds later they called her number. I shot this big jerk a look. I clearly thought he enjoyed his moment of authority. Soon after, he got up from his desk and went over to the vestibule door and locked it. I guess it was closing time.
So it was finally my turn. I stayed in my seat to be sure I didn’t rile him up again. They called my number, I gave the guy my paperwork I needed to turn in, he asked me 2 or 3 questions, and I was done. I headed for the door, and here comes Mr big security guard. I exited one door, he was right behind me, he had to unlock the door. As he let me out, he said,” Next time, leave the weapon in your car.” I looked down, and I had my folding razor blade knife clipped to my pocket. I said, “Oh, sorry, I just drove here from work, I work in Maintenance, and I carry and use this for work and just forgot about it.” Mr. Attitude tapped the sign about no weapons. I couldn’t hold back. I retorted, “I didn’t know the Social Security office here was such a hot bed of terrorism!” He glared at me out the door and to my truck. As I got in my truck, I yelled out, “Barney Fife! Don’t worry, I won’t ever be back here, I’m moving, bye!”
Some guys. Give them a little badge, and they go all mr. badass. I laughed all the way home.

Barney indeed. I encountered one at the dmv during the height of covid.

Seats are arranged in a grid 3’ apart. I go in and see everyone is crowded in the first 3 rows so I sit down in the 6th(back) away from everyone.

“Sir you need to move up!”

I won’t type the entire conversation but basically he wanted everyone bunched up and I refused because I was following best practice. Eventually he got the cold stare From a state worker and he shut up.

I sense a new thread coming.

 

[Thegeek]

https://www.handgunlaw.us/states/usa.pdf

Found this to be a good read....

 

[carry205]

https://www.handgunlaw.us/states/usa.pdf

Found this to be a good read....

Yeah, in hindsight, I should have seen the sign, and been aware of what I had on me. I disarmed my pistol, extra mag and holster before I went in. I honestly forgot I had it on.
I understand the intent of the law, but the application thereof… the scope, in a Social Security office, where the security guard was the youngest person in there, his total lack of respect for his elders, and his demeanor is what I had issue with. He definitely needs some job instruction, and to show a little compassion and being flexible in his administration of the law. In other words, knowing his surroundings and audience. If I would have been his supervisor, he would have received a reprimand. I don’t know if he was instructed to handle these situations as he did, but maybe I’m just too old now. If I talked to my elders the way he did, and my dad heard me, I’d be picking myself up off the floor, and trying to remove his size 11 boot from my ass. Manners don’t matter anymore.

 

[Thegeek]

^^^ because you can't punch someone in the mouth anymore.

 

[carry205]

^^^ because you can't punch someone in the mouth anymore.

?

 

[Thegeek]

Meaning that's why manners are so rare. Because they've never been punched in the mouth.

 

[carry205]

Meaning that's why manners are so rare. Because they've never been punched in the mouth.

Lol! Gotcha!

 

[rugertoter]

Followed my 2 YO son and wife to Riley after a broken femur. Valet parked my car and I had to enter through the ER entrance. Officer with metal detector said I'd have to track down valet and leave my pistol. So I did. Then I came out the front entrance, grabbed by pistol and stayed 3 nights there.

LOL! Had to laugh at that.

 

[Goodcat]

What about signs that say its illegal to record any conversations in a building? I recently saw that in a Dr's office and told them I dont think that sign carries any weight. It's my understanding in the state of Indiana only one party of the conversation needs to know it's recorded because in an abusive situation another party's actions may change knowing they are being recorded.

Indiana is a one party recording state. No signs carry the weight of law preventing audio or video recording.

 

[Goodcat]

Responsible gun owners do one of two things when asked not to carry somewhere. Don’t carry or don’t go in.

I am done with this thread.

I could not disagree more. I carry everywhere legally allowed. I will not let the voice of an ill informed, firearm fearing person prevent me from protecting my family. In that same vein, I will not allow the same to dictate where I can go, because I will be carrying, when I am exercising a constitutional right and am also within the law. Not “respecting” someone’s request you don’t carry into their establishment is not doing a disservice to “responsible” gun owners. We are the responsible gun owners. If a law enforcement official is “respectfully” asking you to stop carrying a firearm on his beat because it’s dangerous, would you stop? Do you believe responsible gun owners respect the wishes of everyone who doesn’t like guns?

Does the criminal disarm before entering out of respect also?

 

[Bill of Rights]

I could not disagree more. I carry everywhere legally allowed. I will not let the voice of an ill informed, firearm fearing person prevent me from protecting my family. In that same vein, I will not allow the same to dictate where I can go, because I will be carrying, when I am exercising a constitutional right and am also within the law. Not “respecting” someone’s request you don’t carry into their establishment is not doing a disservice to “responsible” gun owners. We are the responsible gun owners. If a law enforcement official is “respectfully” asking you to stop carrying a firearm on his beat because it’s dangerous, would you stop? Do you believe responsible gun owners respect the wishes of everyone who doesn’t like guns?

Does the criminal disarm before entering out of respect also?

I get what you're saying. You are ultimately responsible for your own safety. The bottom line as I see it though, is that while you do have a RKBA, you do not have a right to be wherever you want to be. The analogy I've used before is that if you are in McDonald's..... Why you would be there I have no clue, but let's go with it for now.... and you start extolling the virtues of Chick Fil A's chicken sandwich as being so much better than McDs.... neither the correctness of your statement, your right of free speech, nor your rights of free association with people of your choosing will protect you from McDs telling you to leave the premises. You are in their business with their permission until they revoke that permission. At that point, you leave or you meet Officer Unfriendly. The next point after that, presuming you have not been arrested, is that you go home and begin telling everyone you know to avoid that McDs.

Likewise, your next step if a business forbids firearms as the sign reviving this thread indicated, and they enforce it, is to come home and post what happened here on INGO. Let people know so that they begin to lose business and make sure that they receive a
No Gun = No $$ card. I made one a long time back, but it is likely long out of date. Kill their business the same way they try to kill your right to carry. Stupid should hurt.

You have rights and they should be respected. So do other people, including business owners.

$0.02

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Bill of Rights]

Barney indeed. I encountered one at the dmv during the height of covid.

Seats are arranged in a grid 3’ apart. I go in and see everyone is crowded in the first 3 rows so I sit down in the 6th(back) away from everyone.

“Sir you need to move up!”

I won’t type the entire conversation but basically he wanted everyone bunched up and I refused because I was following best practice. Eventually he got the cold stare From a state worker and he shut up.

I sense a new thread coming.

I think I would have pointed at myself as if just realizing I was there, "Me? *I* need to move up?" <look around as if for a threat> "Um... no? No, *I* have no need to move up. I'm comfortable here." And ultimately turned it into a lesson on the difference between *your want* and "my need*. I have no need to comply with an order from someone with no authority to order me to do anything.


OTOH, had you politely ASKED me to move up, you might have gotten what you wanted. Go ahead. Dig in your heels. Mine dig deeper. Guaranteed. And one call to your boss from a disrespected citizen, and you might be reassigned to emptying garbage pails and scrubbing toilets next week. Be good for you. Teach you not to look down on others. Builds character.

Show respect if you want to receive it.

Blessings,
Bill