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Four Minneapolis officers fired after death of black man part II
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nonobaddog
Grandmaster
Yup, I guess if you define rural as "not urban" regardless of whether there are any people or not - then Wyoming certainly would be rural. Of course you might have trouble even finding twelve people for a jury let alone a courthouse.
nonobaddog
Grandmaster
It seems that people in mobs always have their mouths open. So if you run into somebody with their mouth open a lot, they are probably in training so they too can join a mob and finally upgrade that old TV.
Judging from what happened in Louisville (I don't want to extrapolate that to the whole nation), there were several dynamics at play. First, there's BLM's militant leadership. In Louisville, that included a very racist woman, who went around to local businesses demanding they pay a percentage of "reparations" if they didn't have 23% black representation as employees. And threatened those businesses if they didn't comply.
Next, there are the Antifa types. Yeah, there are Antifa in Louisville. It seems their chapter is out of UofL (shocking as that is). It's also pretty obvious that they were coordinating with the BLM leadership to organize violence for late night after the national press went back to their hotels. They instigated violence. They provoked police to try to get them to engage. They burned businesses, looted, and basically did what they could to destroy the city.
Then there are the woke white Lefties who declared "allies" according to the BLM/Woke definition, which meant that they pledged to be activists and do activist things to help "the cause." So when BLM folks tell them to do something, they do it. These folks are just brainwashed into the woke cult. I'm not saying they're blameless, but just saying once they're brainwashed they just follow. Like mindless drones.
There's another group that is sane. These are the folks who see Black people being treated unfairly by LMPD. They did not go along with the violence. They tried to make it a peaceful protest. And they seemed to be genuinely frustrated by the violence. As the riots started winding down, the local pastors apparently got pretty well organized and seemed to get many of the protestors, and probably parts of their congregations to block the instigators and perpetrators of violence.
So there are a number of groups that might take up the banner of BLM, not all of whom are perpetrators and instigators of violence. I would have no problem being downtown after dark if the only protesters were the last group. But it's clear that a large percentage of BLM, at least in Louisville, were members of the other groups.
Mob in Louisville yesterday
Louisville Police Sent Out to Arrest Murder Suspect — What Happened Next Was Insane! (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...st-murder-suspect-happened-next-insane-video/That's called race baiting. You've seen it before and you'll see it again
I think that a reasonable verdict could be reached on 2nd degree manslaughter. It's not a heavy bar if you believe that Floyd's death was at least partially aided by Chauvin's actions. The paramedic's testimony was a pretty effective indictment on the officers lack of action. Also the transcript is pretty damning.
Officer Lane at one point asked if they should put Floyd on his side. He said that he thinks he's gonna pass out. Chavin said, no he's staying put. People in the crowd started saying they don't seen him breathing and demanded that the officers at least check his pulse. Officer Lane tried to find a pulse and couldn't. Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd even after the paramedics arrived. They had to tell him to get off so they could check his pulse. Probably the most effective statement the jurors heard is when the defense attorney asked him if he asked the police to begin chest compressions he said, he shouldn't have to. The police had plenty of chances to assess the real condition of Floyd, and at least officer Lane was in tune to what was happening. Chauvin declined.
So if they vote guilty on 2nd degree manslaughter, I think that's a reasonable verdict. I think the defense has mitigated a lot of the damning testimony with establishing reasonable doubt. So it could reasonably go either way. But I strongly suspect the verdict will not be reasonably reached. I think it is unlikely a Minneapolis jury made up of people who are not Chauvin's peers by any stretch, will be reasonable about their verdict. And the few who are will probably be intimidated by activist terrorists.
The James/Younger Gang did meet their demise in Northfield, MN.
Jaybird1980
Grandmaster
Holy Hell, people are so freaking stupid. They really should just break out the fire hoses on these idiots.
Being stupid should still hurt.
Hatin Since 87
Bacon Hater
Didn’t they change their training after this incident? Sounds like he followed policy, and afterwards they decided to change it.
I was just going back through this thread and I don't think I replied to this specifically, but yes. Some BLM people have threatened white people in Louisville. It's not all BLM people doing it. And it's not uniquely black BLM people doing it. It's the militant BLM people made up of activist terrorists.
nonobaddog
Grandmaster
And they still celebrate that every year, I went to college there. This seems kind of ironic to me but at that time they actually had a Jesse James Bank.
^THIS^
The prosecution has made a very strong case that Chauvin's actions substantially caused Floyd's death and reduced his pre-existing medical conditions and drug levels to "fragile egg"... IANAL, but it basically boils down to even if the egg is fragile, if you're the one who cracks it, it's on you... you better have done everything by the book and with reasonable care. There is 9 1/2 minutes on video showing this was not the case.
And, I think there is also a pretty strong case made for Murder 3, depraved indifference... continuing after another officer questioned if a recovery position was needed, continuing after the other officer found no pulse, continuing after the EMTs arrived, etc.
(note, it's an open question before the MN Supreme Court whether Murder 3 applies to actions directed at a single person versus the public writ large, but currently, it does).
Having said all that, the defense has not had it's turn yet... but IMO it's a very uphill battle at this point to get to reasonable doubt. We'll have to wait and see.
I’m just not seeing the other 2 charges sticking if it’s an honest jury. The defense has had some key wins. But regardless I think that the media on both sides is not covering this trial fairly.
If you’re watching national mainstream media sources you’d think it’s only been devastating losses for the defense, and that it would be impossible for honest people to acquit. And if you’re watching conservative sources you’d think the opposite.
I heard someone more right leaning say something to the effect that it’s like hearing a boxing match where one guy is actually winning but the announcers are only talking about the blows the other side is landing, so that the listener would think that the wrong guy is winning. But the right is doing that too. If I only listened to rightwing sites and never actually watched hours and ours of trial video myself, I’d be sure that Chauvin is completely innocent of all charges. You just can’t be pulling for a team here.
In my own estimation so far, I think the force Chauvin used was appropriate for the totality of the encounter up to the point where it was obvious that resistance stopped. Floyd was a big powerful dude. Chauvin is short and 140 lbs. we saw what even a big drunk guy could do to two less in shape officers in the other case last year. Given all the circumstances brought out in the trial, and thinking through all the reasons a cop might do what Chauvin did, “depravity” falls lower on Occam’s Razor rankings. But, I think Chauvin really misjudged the situation. The defense offered a reasonable doubt about the cause if death. So even if Chauvin’s actions were inappropriate, a not guilty would be reasonable. Or, I think it would also be reasonable if the jury thought Chauvin’s actions were at meast partly responsible for Floyd’s death. The the 2nd degree manslaughter would be appropriate.
If it’s true, and if it’s proven, sure. I’m not convinced that TPTB want that. I get the feeling that the trial is just the motions one has to endure before the guilty verdict is rendered. That seems to be how the alphabet letter networks are reporting it. And that seems to be the sentiment of most people I encounter.
