Not necessarily. If the first one cant shoot worth
the last one that shoots, if they shoot well, wins.
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[DGU] The 'Defensive Gun Use' Thread
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the last one that shoots, if they shoot well, wins.
If it works for you to let the other guy with his gun drawn 1st shoot 1st that's fine with me, I don't care.
If you draw your gun on me I'm gonna draw on fire I am not going to give you an ultimatum. Period, End stop.
In the situation in Florida, that I am referencing the man was killed because he told the person holding a weapon on him to drop the gun.
Act, you are referencing a situation where the perpetrator drops the gun and raises their hands as soon as you have drawn yours.
If you draw your gun on me I'm gonna draw on fire I am not going to give you an ultimatum. Period, End stop.
In the situation in Florida, that I am referencing the man was killed because he told the person holding a weapon on him to drop the gun.
Act, you are referencing a situation where the perpetrator drops the gun and raises their hands as soon as you have drawn yours.
yes.
You are allowed to "stop the threat".
If there is not threat.. good chance court will not go well.
If you put your hand on the gun, and the "bad guy" stops...
If you pull your gun and the bad guy stops..
If you point your gun and the bad guy stops...
You are preaching to the choir.
I have never had to dwar. Twice I just had to place my hand over it.
The article says she was trying to discharge her weapon. She DID NOT stop the threat.
That is what I an referencing.
I have never had to dwar. Twice I just had to place my hand over it.
The article says she was trying to discharge her weapon. She DID NOT stop the threat.
That is what I an referencing.
Follow-up: GG cleared by DAQuikTrip, St. Charles, MO:
Another One: Actual Good Guy With a Gun Kills Man on Violent Crime Spree - The Truth About Guns
◀Previous Post Next Post▶ A St. Louis man on a bathroom break at a QuikTrip [in St. Charles, Missouri] shot and killed an armed robber early Saturday. Police said the robber was on a “violent crime spree” across three St. Charles gas stations. The QuikTrip customer, identified only as a...www.thetruthaboutguns.com
Man cleared of wrongdoing by St. Charles County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office after robbery suspect killed
Police are investigating after a 26-year-old man went on a violent crime spree in St. Charles and was shot and killed by another citizen last month.
Texas
Man out on bond after being arrested for beating his girlfriend in Dec 2020 goes back to her apartment, apparently to beat her some more. During a struggle gun goes off and he ends up dead with a bullet in his torso.
www.click2houston.com
Man out on bond after being arrested for beating his girlfriend in Dec 2020 goes back to her apartment, apparently to beat her some more. During a struggle gun goes off and he ends up dead with a bullet in his torso.
HCSO: During domestic violence incident, woman fatally shoots boyfriend out on bond for assault
A woman fatally shot her boyfriend Sunday during an apparent domestic assault incident in northwest Harris County, deputies said.
TWO YEARS to resolve a domestic battery charge? He was out on bond from a 2020 arrest. That seems REALLY long to me.Texas
Man out on bond after being arrested for beating his girlfriend in Dec 2020 goes back to her apartment, apparently to beat her some more. During a struggle gun goes off and he ends up dead with a bullet in his torso.
HCSO: During domestic violence incident, woman fatally shoots boyfriend out on bond for assault
A woman fatally shot her boyfriend Sunday during an apparent domestic assault incident in northwest Harris County, deputies said.
Chicago
19-year-old man having a “mental break” threatened his mother with a knife, threatened a concealed carry license holder neighbor with a knife, marched down the street past another neighbor holding a baseball bat, and attacked a Chicago police cruiser (Stabbed the rear window while the cops were backing up away from him) with the knife.
The concealed carry license holder fired a round into the ground trying to warn/scare the young man, which resulted in a bullet fragment hitting the young man in the leg and apparently not discouraging him at all.
When the cops got out of the car they tased him and took him into custody.
cwbchicago.com
cwbchicago.com
19-year-old man having a “mental break” threatened his mother with a knife, threatened a concealed carry license holder neighbor with a knife, marched down the street past another neighbor holding a baseball bat, and attacked a Chicago police cruiser (Stabbed the rear window while the cops were backing up away from him) with the knife.
The concealed carry license holder fired a round into the ground trying to warn/scare the young man, which resulted in a bullet fragment hitting the young man in the leg and apparently not discouraging him at all.
When the cops got out of the car they tased him and took him into custody.
Concealed carry holder shoots man who is armed with a knife in Rogers Park, police say
A concealed carry holder who was investigating a domestic disturbance at his neighbor's home shot a 19-year-old man who was armed with a knife on Tuesday evening, police said.
cwbchicago.com
Rogers Park man stabbed a CPD squad car and threatened 2 cops with a knife after being shot by concealed carry holder's bullet, prosecutors say
After being injured by a concealed carry holder's bullet fragment, the 19-year-old stabbed the rear window of an arriving CPD patrol car and threatened its two officers with a knife, prosecutors said.
cwbchicago.com
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Chicago
Guy out on bail from three previous juvenile Felonies tries to rob? Car jack? man and his 11 yo daughter in the parking lot of McDonald’s. Shoot holes in the side of the car, man shoots back, gets three hits but 3xfelon runs away, caught later with wounds. $300,000 bail amount this time
CWBChicago Is keeping score of how many bonded out violent felons are wounding and killing citizens while they’re out on bond. They would be robber here is number 27 in the series, and it’s not a pretty picture.
cwbchicago.com
Guy out on bail from three previous juvenile Felonies tries to rob? Car jack? man and his 11 yo daughter in the parking lot of McDonald’s. Shoot holes in the side of the car, man shoots back, gets three hits but 3xfelon runs away, caught later with wounds. $300,000 bail amount this time
CWBChicago Is keeping score of how many bonded out violent felons are wounding and killing citizens while they’re out on bond. They would be robber here is number 27 in the series, and it’s not a pretty picture.
#27: Concealed carry holder shot man who opened fire on his car at McDonald's, prosecutors say. (The 'man' has 3 pending felony cases in juvenile court)
A 19-year-old man who has three felony juvenile cases pending was shot three times by a concealed carry holder after he opened fire on the man's car in a McDonald's parking lot Tuesday, prosecutors said.
cwbchicago.com
Austin Texas
17 yo who committed series of robberies last year released from juvie with ankle monitor, which he cut off almost immediately. He then hooked up with three other buddies and committed nine robberies in five days, pistol-whipping some of their victims.
While his buddies wait in the car he uses a handgun to hold up a man and woman on the sidewalk and takes man’s backpack. When 17-year-old‘s buddies roll up with the car the backpack-less man pulls his own handgun and shoots at 17 year old and his buddies.
All four robbers flee but police catch them later and find out the 17-year-old has a bullet in his leg.
No word on how many minutes the court will wait before they put them back out on the street again.
Also, the story calls the man with the backpack a “Texas gun owner” but does not say he has a license to carry. I wonder if he was a constitutional carry guy?
www.foxnews.com
17 yo who committed series of robberies last year released from juvie with ankle monitor, which he cut off almost immediately. He then hooked up with three other buddies and committed nine robberies in five days, pistol-whipping some of their victims.
While his buddies wait in the car he uses a handgun to hold up a man and woman on the sidewalk and takes man’s backpack. When 17-year-old‘s buddies roll up with the car the backpack-less man pulls his own handgun and shoots at 17 year old and his buddies.
All four robbers flee but police catch them later and find out the 17-year-old has a bullet in his leg.
No word on how many minutes the court will wait before they put them back out on the street again.
Also, the story calls the man with the backpack a “Texas gun owner” but does not say he has a license to carry. I wonder if he was a constitutional carry guy?
Texas gun owner shoots teen during alleged attempted robbery
A gun owner in Texas defended himself and a female companion after a group of young men with long criminal histories attempted to rob the couple at gunpoint, police say.
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Arizona
61-year-old man see’s 67-year-old man walking down the sidewalk. Apparently 61‘s ex-girlfriend is now living with 67. 61 drives up on the sidewalk and runs over 67, continues down the sidewalk taking out mailboxes, then turns around and drives back over 67. He then gets out and stomps on 67’s head several times.
Neighbor sees this happening, has brother call the cops while he retrieves his gun from the house, but unfortunately he arrived on scene only able to hold 61 at gunpoint until cops arrive, too late for 67.
Neighbor fired a round into the ground to convince 61 not to leave.
www.foxnews.com
61-year-old man see’s 67-year-old man walking down the sidewalk. Apparently 61‘s ex-girlfriend is now living with 67. 61 drives up on the sidewalk and runs over 67, continues down the sidewalk taking out mailboxes, then turns around and drives back over 67. He then gets out and stomps on 67’s head several times.
Neighbor sees this happening, has brother call the cops while he retrieves his gun from the house, but unfortunately he arrived on scene only able to hold 61 at gunpoint until cops arrive, too late for 67.
Neighbor fired a round into the ground to convince 61 not to leave.
Armed Arizona man detains murder suspect who allegedly ran over neighbor with vehicle, stomped his head
John Lagana, 61, was charged with first-degree murder after allegedly running over a victim in Mesa, Arizona, multiple times with a car and then stomping on his head.
Arizona
This is not a DGU, but should have been.
67 year old takes food back to the Wendy’s counter to complain about something, and the 35 yo employee punches 67 in the head, putting him in a coma from which he dies about 10 days later.
Tough to be a 67-year-old in Arizona these days I guess.
www.foxnews.com
This is not a DGU, but should have been.
67 year old takes food back to the Wendy’s counter to complain about something, and the 35 yo employee punches 67 in the head, putting him in a coma from which he dies about 10 days later.
Tough to be a 67-year-old in Arizona these days I guess.
Wendy’s employee in Arizona punched 67-year-old in the head, charged with murder after man died: police
Police arrested a Wendy's employee in Arizona who allegedly punched a 67-year-old, who died days later. The suspect was initially charged with assault but now faces murder charges.
Colorado
Man awakened by wife screaming that there is a bear in the house, and indeed there was; 400 lbs worth, between him and his kids.
Man shoots bear once with .40 handgun aiming COM, pissing off the bear, who charges man. Man unloads pistol into bear which diverts and collapses, eventually dying.
www.foxnews.com
Man awakened by wife screaming that there is a bear in the house, and indeed there was; 400 lbs worth, between him and his kids.
Man shoots bear once with .40 handgun aiming COM, pissing off the bear, who charges man. Man unloads pistol into bear which diverts and collapses, eventually dying.
Colorado man shoots bear inside his home with his .40-caliber pistol
A Steamboat Springs, Colorado, man shot and killed a bear inside his home after his wife awakened him screaming at dawn. He shot the bear with his 40-caliber pistol; no one was injured.
WTF??!! The 35 year old needs about a 35 minute trial, and then put down like the rabid feral human it is.
Georgia
16-year-old sits in jail for nearly a year after shooting 22 year old four times in the back — and three more times in the chest after the dude went down.
After interviewing witnesses and camera footage from nearby businesses, DA asked the judge to dismiss the case as self-defense against kidnapping.
As I understand it, the 22 year old confronted the 16 year old, showing him a pistol, striking the 16-year-old in the head with it three times, threatening to “bust one in your kidney”.
Some bystanders “complained” to the 22-year-old about his behavior, so he stuck the gun in his waistband, told the 16 year-old to follow him and “you better not run”.
When the 22 year old turned his back to walk away, the 16-year-old took a gun from his backpack and shot the 22-year-old seven times total.
I feel there may be some background here that has not made his way into the new stories.
news.yahoo.com
some background from prior to the judge’s ruling:
www.wrbl.com
16-year-old sits in jail for nearly a year after shooting 22 year old four times in the back — and three more times in the chest after the dude went down.
After interviewing witnesses and camera footage from nearby businesses, DA asked the judge to dismiss the case as self-defense against kidnapping.
As I understand it, the 22 year old confronted the 16 year old, showing him a pistol, striking the 16-year-old in the head with it three times, threatening to “bust one in your kidney”.
Some bystanders “complained” to the 22-year-old about his behavior, so he stuck the gun in his waistband, told the 16 year-old to follow him and “you better not run”.
When the 22 year old turned his back to walk away, the 16-year-old took a gun from his backpack and shot the 22-year-old seven times total.
I feel there may be some background here that has not made his way into the new stories.
Judge rules teen was justified in shooting assailant 7 times
A Georgia judge has dismissed a murder charge against a teen after concluding that he was legally justified in shooting a man seven times in 2021 because the man was trying to kidnap him.
some background from prior to the judge’s ruling:
Columbus mother speaks out as charges reconsidered in son’s shooting death
COLUMBUS, Ga. (WRBL)— A local mother continues to seek justice for her son’s death nearly one year after he was fatally shot. Iverson Gilyard, 20, was shot seven times by a juvenile Saturday,…
www.wrbl.com
Chicago
I’m pretty sure this is a different incident from the other Chicago DGU I posted above.
Apparent Attempted carjacking, carjacker fired at citizen who had concealed carry license and his own gun, and fired back. Citizens scored hit to carjacker’s chest and put him in the hospital In critical condition. Citizen unharmed.
www.foxnews.com
I’m pretty sure this is a different incident from the other Chicago DGU I posted above.
Apparent Attempted carjacking, carjacker fired at citizen who had concealed carry license and his own gun, and fired back. Citizens scored hit to carjacker’s chest and put him in the hospital In critical condition. Citizen unharmed.
Chicago concealed carry holder returns gunfire on carjacking suspect, wounding offender: police
An accused attempted carjacker in Chicago was allegedly shot and wounded by a concealed carry holder, who returned gunfire and, in doing so, thwarted the theft of his own vehicle.
Santa Ana California
This is an old one from 2018 but I find it entertaining.
60 yo ”transient” with handgun holds up fast food joint at indoor counter. While employee is throwing money in the bag, somebody waiting to order at the drive-through fires three shots thru the window, one of which shreds a coffee cup and two of which hit transient in the chest.
Drive-through guy drives off without getting his food or leaving his name. Transient taken to the hospital in seriously wounded but survives and is charged with this robbery, +3 other recent ones, and the cops suspect he’s good for a few more.
I googled around but didn’t find any more details other than cops sent four cases to DA for transient and cwere looking for the drive-through shooter.
Doesn’t appear anybody ever found him, and I don’t know if transient was ever convicted. this is in California so they probably gave him a lollipop.
This is an old one from 2018 but I find it entertaining.
60 yo ”transient” with handgun holds up fast food joint at indoor counter. While employee is throwing money in the bag, somebody waiting to order at the drive-through fires three shots thru the window, one of which shreds a coffee cup and two of which hit transient in the chest.
Drive-through guy drives off without getting his food or leaving his name. Transient taken to the hospital in seriously wounded but survives and is charged with this robbery, +3 other recent ones, and the cops suspect he’s good for a few more.
I googled around but didn’t find any more details other than cops sent four cases to DA for transient and cwere looking for the drive-through shooter.
Doesn’t appear anybody ever found him, and I don’t know if transient was ever convicted. this is in California so they probably gave him a lollipop.
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