DeSantis 2024?

[Ingomike]

A "wall" seems wa$teful and inefficient, IMO. The U.S. routinely secures borders around the world without using "walls". I don't recall who said it but if we build a 20ft wall there will be a run on 21ft ladders. Illegal immigration cannot continue. The whole world cannot live inside the U.S. Something has got to give on this issue. But a physical wall seems more symbolic than fiscally and physically efficient. Since both Trump and D'tis are running on anti-illegal immigration, it would be nice if one of them articulated a plan that didn't further waste money and resources. Trump is too invested in "build the wall". And D'tis can't help but to echo Trump. I just don't see any real differentiation between the two on the issue of illegal immigration.

The wall is a pittance to spending on total junk. I can agree it may be somewhat symbolic it is also symbolic to the rest of the world things have changed…

 

[KG1]

I agree with most of this but it is fact he voted against the border wall in that bill by prioritizing other issues higher than the border. I do believe he is pro border wall, but not sure to what degree.

The INGO BS‘ers would call me a Trumper if I made a similar point on a Trump issue…

The reason he didn't vote for that particular bill wasn't because of the border wall. The political hack job ad tried to make it appear as if he was against a border wall which was misleading. Trump even had similar misgivings about that bill at the time and considered vetoing it before reluctantly signing it.

He's been consistantly in favor of a border wall to this very day so I don't see how the degree of commitment is questionable based on something that was misleading.

 

[KG1]

A "wall" seems wa$teful and inefficient, IMO. The U.S. routinely secures borders around the world without using "walls". I don't recall who said it but if we build a 20ft wall there will be a run on 21ft ladders. Illegal immigration cannot continue. The whole world cannot live inside the U.S. Something has got to give on this issue. But a physical wall seems more symbolic than fiscally and physically efficient. Since both Trump and D'tis are running on anti-illegal immigration, it would be nice if one of them articulated a plan that didn't further waste money and resources. Trump is too invested in "build the wall". And D'tis can't help but to echo Trump. I just don't see any real differentiation between the two on the issue of illegal immigration.

I'm glad to see you say this that Trump should be dinged as well for his "inefficient wasteful build a wall" policy. But yet he is still invested in it.

But we both know that DeSantis would be trashed for not backing the wall now as evidenced by that pro-Trump PAC hack job ad which was trying to make it an issue and I believe that Trump would as well if DeSantis tried to buck him on it now after being for it for many years. It would be labeled as just another "flip-flop"

 

[nonobaddog]

I pointed out another pollical misleading hack job ad previously by a pro-Trump PAC that said DeSantis voted against a border wall in 2018 when he was in Congress which was misleading. The reason he voted against that particular bill had nothing to do with a border wall. He's always been for a border wall and voted to fund it in other bills.

He was even a co-sponsor to another bill that was introduced to try and get some kind of funding another way. It never made it to a floor vote because Pelosi and the Democrat majority in the committee wouldn't allow it.

What a joke.
These stupid bills have so many unrelated pieces of crap in them that they don't make any congruous sense. So when you vote against one particularly odious piece of crap people say you voted against the only good piece of crap in the whole bill. And vice versa on the whole shtick.
It is just a setup for these disingenuous arguments which are less meaningful than noisy.

 

[BugI02]

Republican Voters Don’t Want a Trump Knockoff › American Greatness

Republican voters have been bashed over the head repeatedly with the message that Ron DeSantis is the more “electable,” new and improved version of Donald Trump. This was always a ridiculous talking…

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Republican voters have been bashed over the head repeatedly with the message that Ron DeSantis is the more “electable,” new and improved version of Donald Trump. This was always a ridiculous talking point, as if an enigmatic figure such as Trump could be replicated, with all peculiar virtues retained and vices purged. But this shtick for DeSantis had life only so long as it remained an untested hypothesis. Under the pressure of a head-on collision with Trump, the careful ruse of “Trump without the baggage” is collapsing like a cardboard cutout.

Without his rival’s authenticity or charisma, DeSantis has relied on an annoyingly overbearing political operation to stay afloat. But sly maneuvering is precisely what Republican voters despise most in a politician today.

One could hardly lay such a charge against Trump. His supporters know that the chaos is part of a package deal that comes with a forceful and uncontrollable personality. With DeSantis, they get a boring, vacillating careerist pretending to be his more popular rival.

Asked how he would handle the war in Ukraine, DeSantis appeared to blow a circuit and started talking about transgenders in the military. “There’s a new sheriff in town,” he declared. This is the serious, substantial candidate we’ve heard so much about?

America is in deep trouble. Rebuilding a declining country, if it is possible, will require leaders who can actually inspire people. Trump is the creator and leader of a historic popular movement. Not many people have that capability. DeSantis obviously doesn’t, which is why he has tried to co-opt MAGA for his own personal ambitions.

Ouch

And he's not wrong

 

[KG1]

i can just imagine how it would go over in a debate if DeSantis changed his position and told Trump his border wall policy is inefficient and wasteful.

Trump would just respond to that with "Oh you mean the same policy that you also supported for many years?"

 

[Ingomike]

The reason he didn't vote for that particular bill wasn't because of the border wall. The political hack job ad tried to make it appear as if he was against a border wall which was misleading. Trump even had similar misgivings about that bill at the time and considered vetoing it before reluctantly signing it.

He's been consistantly in favor of a border wall to this very day so I don't see how the degree of commitment is questionable based on something that was misleading.

If I say that about Trump, INGO BS‘ers would call me a Trumper…

 

[KG1]

If I say that about Trump, INGO BS‘ers would call me a Trumper…

Because why? I guess I'm just not getting your point here mike.

 

[drillsgt]

Except, it remains to be seen if DeSantis thinks he should take the guns first, then due process. Or if DeSantis will write executive orders to make plastic gun accessories illegal by changing their definitions to match something that’s already illegal. Or if he’ll fast track the next round of vaccines for the next pandemic, and then later claim he saved millions of lives. Or if he’ll shut down the country and later claim he saved millions of lives. Or, if he’ll **** pornstars and then have to pay them off before the next election.

I mean it’s a wildcard. We don’t know what DeSantis will do. Trump is not an unknown.

As Governor do we know of pro-gun legislation that he's signed?

 

[manifest destiny]

I don't mind being called a Trumper as I view him as the best option to genuinely rock the boat, so far. I'm open to change. D'tis, to this point, isn't getting it done for me. D'tis isn't genuine politically or otherwise. The compassionate-neocon-Bush-Ryan-billionaire-boys-club won't be getting another vote from me. Not that voting actually matters.

 

[drillsgt]

DeSantis’s rollout flopped compared to all the hyped expectations. No doubt about that. But the above reply is a deflection from my point, not addressing it. About all you can say to the point is either to deny it, excuse it, or say that you don’t care. And the latter seems to be how you’ve decided. And fair enough. You get to decide how to prioritize the character of your guy.

To me, I still see it as a choice of least evil. DeSantis has only the potential to be that. But to me he doesn’t live up to what I’d commit to supporting. The rollout doesn’t help him in that regard. In terms of policy platform he’s solid. Obviously more articulate than Trump. But doesn’t have the charisma. If primaries were held tomorrow, best guess I’d go with DeSantis over Trump. By May 2024? No idea. He could continue with that god sent him nonsense through the primaries, That puts him in the same league with Trump’s pompous ******* personality, which I think is a liability.

It doesn't sound like anybody is going to be good enough, who does jamil think is up to the task?

 

[KG1]

You know what doesn't quite jibe is when some people act like DeSantis is just some "johnny come lately" on these policies and he's acting like a Trump copycat now when in reality he has backed them ever since Trump was elected.

I think that criticism is kind of ridiculous. Can anybody point to a time when he wasn't for these policies?

 

[BugI02]

As Governor do we know of pro-gun legislation that he's signed?

April of this year he signed constitutional carry into law for FL residents

 

[jamil]

I agree with most of this but it is fact he voted against the border wall in that bill by prioritizing other issues higher than the border. I do believe he is pro border wall, but not sure to what degree.

The INGO BS‘ers would call me a Trumper if I made a similar point on a Trump issue…

If they did call you a Trumper, why would it matter? You are. A “Trumper” is a trump supporter. It means you stand behind him and otherwise support him. There’s nothing wrong with that. There are different grades, I guess one could say, of Trumpers with varying degrees of support.

 

[jamil]

The wall is a pittance to spending on total junk. I can agree it may be somewhat symbolic it is also symbolic to the rest of the world things have changed…

We could probably build a really nice wall with what we’re spending on Ukraine.

 

[KLB]

 

[KG1]

 

[DadSmith]

'His Leadership Has Been Crucial': Riley Gaines Endorses DeSantis for 2024

Swimmer Riley Gaines, an outspoken advocate against transgender athletes in women’s sports, endorsed Ron DeSantis for president in 2024.

www.breitbart.com

 

[BugI02]

Trump Still Has the Magic › American Greatness

The Republican primary is already in full swing. While a few second-tier candidates have joined the fray, including neoconservative Nikki Haley, Senator Tim Scott (R-S.C.), and old school evangelical…

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[rhamersley]

Republicans Vote To Put Trump, DeSantis In Their Get-Along Shirt

U.S. — As tensions between warring camps have reached a fevered pitch, Republicans have taken a significant step in an attempt to make peace, opting to put both former President Donald Trump and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis in a "Get-Along" t-shirt.

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