DeSantis 2024?

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Speaking only for myself (who got the first two jabs), no, it won't happen again (to me). I just won't do it. That being said, I do agree with him in that I haven't thought about covid other than what I see here on INGO. I still see people wearing masks and just assume they're thinking about committing a crime, or they're just idiots (or possibly otherwise health-compromised). It truly isn't even a thing for me whatsoever.

A lot of people are hanging on to it like a dog with a bone though. I know that the people that inflicted it on us won't ever face a day in court, let alone prison, so...

You may not get the shot, but there are plenty of other infringements that will be forced on us again, especially by republicans.

 

[KG1]

Nice! (Well, except for it being in Cali ) People were wondering where you went. I think @KG1 was the one that first asked. Good to see you though!

Where's Bug?

Says he hasn't been seen since May 8. I know discussions with him tend to get pretty heated and personal in the GP at times with a few members, including myself, but I don't think anyone wishes him any ill will. At least I don't. He posted a few kind words in the thread I made a while back...

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Where's Bug?

Says he hasn't been seen since May 8. I know discussions with him tend to get pretty heated and personal in the GP at times with a few members, including myself, but I don't think anyone wishes him any ill will. At least I don't. He posted a few kind words in the thread I made a while back...

www.indianagunowners.com

I love it when I get it right!

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

You may not get the shot, but there are plenty of other infringements that will be forced on us again, especially by republicans.

As we be told csmple. How many more people will have to die?

 

[BugI02]

Nice! (Well, except for it being in Cali ) People were wondering where you went. I think @KG1 was the one that first asked. Good to see you though!

Thanks. It's a weird sort of cognitive dissonance, part of me can see that the people forcing preservation of natural beauty is vital to all of our sanity while simultaneously being aware that they have no endpoint to their crusade except for us to be living in solar powered huts eating vegan glop

Finding the balance is the hard part. Too little control and captalism is a rapacious beast, red in tooth and claw

Too much control and the slope into state controlled economy/everything gets steeper and slipperier

Edit: I really felt naked without a gun, but I had a hatchet, a machete and a knife in various places on my body or pack most of the time

 

[BugI02]

As we be told csmple. How many more people will have to die?

There is only retribution. Those that have consumed the poison probably cannot be saved, and another much greater than I has claimed vengeance for himself (likely to prevent us from damning ourselves by pursuing it)

 

[BugI02]

"Before you embark on a journey of vengeance, dig two graves" - Confucius

 

[Magyars]

This guy cannot be trusted! If he says this to the donor's, and not the American people, I'm disappointed in him.

Leaked DeSantis Camp Audio – 'Move to the Middle' After Primary.

Leaked DeSantis audio reveals campaign strategists describing their move to the middle on abortion after the primary.

thenationalpulse.com

 

[jamil]

Musk is blackpilled, but it would be wise to remember that the interests of a billionaire - any billionaire - align well with our interests only by chance

I think Musk realizes if we become a failed state like SA that there will be no safe spaces for capitalism and libertarianism, so he wants to do his part to turn back the tide. That doesn't mean his ideas for what America should be should be any more influential than anyone else's

Some of musks interests align with mine. Some don’t. So he’s an ally when they align, but otherwise, no.

 

[jamil]

The bottom line for me is that I'm all in favor of DeSantis mounting a challenge if he wants a shot at it. I believe that he believes in governing by mostly the same priorities that Trump believes in. If he loses, he loses and it's on to the general election. I won't b*tch and moan about it.

Except, it remains to be seen if DeSantis thinks he should take the guns first, then due process. Or if DeSantis will write executive orders to make plastic gun accessories illegal by changing their definitions to match something that’s already illegal. Or if he’ll fast track the next round of vaccines for the next pandemic, and then later claim he saved millions of lives. Or if he’ll shut down the country and later claim he saved millions of lives. Or, if he’ll **** pornstars and then have to pay them off before the next election.

I mean it’s a wildcard. We don’t know what DeSantis will do. Trump is not an unknown.

 

[KG1]

Except, it remains to be seen if DeSantis thinks he should take the guns first, then due process. Or if DeSantis will write executive orders to make plastic gun accessories illegal by changing their definitions to match something that’s already illegal. Or if he’ll fast track the next round of vaccines for the next pandemic, and then later claim he saved millions of lives. Or if he’ll shut down the country and later claim he saved millions of lives. Or, if he’ll **** pornstars and then have to pay them off before the next election.

I mean it’s a wildcard. We don’t know what DeSantis will do. Trump is not an unknown.

Pretty sure DeSantis doesn’t want to emulate Trump in that regard.

Some balk at DeSantis for choosing to use Trump’s policy priority template. I say so what?

If they are proven to be a good policy foundation then why wouldn’t he want to run with those initiatives if he thinks he can utilize them and be successful.

If he believes in governing by the same kind of policy principles and truly despises the same things that Trump does about the direction this country is headed in at the hands of the Democrat party and their corrupt bureaucratic administrative state three letter agency cohorts along with the assistance of MSM hacks that have their backs. which I believe DeSantis wholeheartedly does believe.

Why then should they be something exclusive in the fight against all that granted only to Trump?

 

[nonobaddog]

Thanks. It's a weird sort of cognitive dissonance, part of me can see that the people forcing preservation of natural beauty is vital to all of our sanity while simultaneously being aware that they have no endpoint to their crusade except for us to be living in solar powered huts eating vegan glop

Finding the balance is the hard part. Too little control and captalism is a rapacious beast, red in tooth and claw

Too much control and the slope into state controlled economy/everything gets steeper and slipperier

Edit: I really felt naked without a gun, but I had a hatchet, a machete and a knife in various places on my body or pack most of the time

There are about 30,000 to 40,000 bears in california. Fortunately they are black bears that rarely attack or eat people. I'm glad you didn't need the edged weapons and made it back.

 

[jamil]

Pretty sure DeSantis doesn’t want to emulate Trump in that regard.

Well, I hope not. That was kinda the point. Trumpers say a negative for DeSantis is that he’s unproven on the national stage. We don’t know what he’ll do. Well. That can work both ways.

Some balk at DeSsntis for choosing to use Trump’s policy priority template. I say so what?

If they are proven to be a good policy foundation then why wouldn’t he want to run with those initiatives if he thinks he can utilize them and be successful.

If he believes in the same kind of policy principles and truly despises the same things that Trump does about the direction this country is headed in at the hands of the Democrat party and their corrupt bureaucratic administrative state three letter cohorts along with the MSM hacks then why should they be something exclusive only to Trump?

If something is true, no one owns it. A scientist that discovers some physical truth doesn’t own the truth, they merely own the social construct of the importance we place on the discovery. The thing that was discovered doesn’t give a flying **** about who discovered it.

AF policies aren’t just an ideological contrivance that can be owned. There is something universally true about AF.

We agree that many of these policies will help make the best and freest society to live in. What Trump did was show people how to fight for them. He doesn’t own the idea.

What we’re doing as AF proponents leading up to the primary election is deciding who we, individually, think should be the best one to do it. Trump is the original, yes. But the original is just a starting point to be improved upon. The first car was improved upon, and then evolved to be better.

Point is, Trump doesn’t own AF. Of course more than one candidate can run on AF policies. It’s up to DeSantis to show he’s the next evolution of AF candidates, an improvement upon the deficiencies of the original. And that remains to be seen.

 

[KG1]

Now let's address this "controversy" that keeps popping up and whack that mole about DeSantis and Ukraine where he clarified his position in a Piers Morgan interview about his comment that it was merely a "territorial dispute" which some critics took his comment to mean that Russia is entitled to that territory over Ukraine. He never said that.

In addressing that "mischaracterization" as he put it by those critics, he agreed that Putin was wrong for invading Ukraine and he said the idea that he thinks somehow Russia was justified [in invading] is nonsense.

However he never "walked back" this point in that interview though about what he said about it not being of vitally important national interest. The following excerpts are from an article about the same Piers Morgan interview, I submit it as an indication of that that.

According to Morgan, DeSantis went on to say he thinks Russia is not the threat (assuming to our national interests) that the Biden administration has portrayed.

The Biden administration has characterized support for Ukraine as forestalling deeper U.S. involvement in a broader conflict.

DeSantis told Morgan he sees it differently: “I just don’t think that’s a sufficient interest for us to escalate more involvement.

* My interpretation added

Also in the interview, DeSantis ridiculed Russia’s high dependence on fossil fuel exports and said the country does not have the capacity to act on Putin’s seeming plan to reconstitute the former Soviet Union’s sphere of influence.

“I think he’s got grand ambitions,” DeSantis said of Putin. “I think he’s hostile to the United States, but I think the thing that we’ve seen is he doesn’t have the conventional capability to realize his ambitions.

IMO DeSantis has correctly said and still believes that there are more pressing vitally important national interests right now than the Russian/Ukraine war. What he hasn't "walked back" are these comments he made in response to Tucker Carlson's Ukraine Twitter questionnaire in March of 2023.

“While the U.S. has many vital national interests – securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party – becoming further entangled in Ukraine and Russia is not one of them. The Biden administration’s virtual “blank check” funding of this conflict for “as long as it takes,” without any defined objectives or accountability, distracts from our country’s most pressing challenges.

 

[patience0830]

So, you're saying so far he has done about 1/50th of what Trump did while fighting maybe 1/1000th of the resistance and push back

Ooh, shiny

Ignore everything Trump accomplished to focus on the few things he didn't get right in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

Trump was and still is a turd you can't pick up from the clean end. And I voted twice for him because the other option sucked so badly. DeSantis is a much more palatable option, especially for those offended by Trump's behavior toward, and talk about, women. Same, possibly more conservative, policies. Less emotional. Less offended in general. I am hopeful. If he ignores Trump baiting and name calling he'll be ok.

 

[oze]

Except, it remains to be seen if DeSantis thinks he should take the guns first, then due process. Or if DeSantis will write executive orders to make plastic gun accessories illegal by changing their definitions to match something that’s already illegal. Or if he’ll fast track the next round of vaccines for the next pandemic, and then later claim he saved millions of lives. Or if he’ll shut down the country and later claim he saved millions of lives. Or, if he’ll **** pornstars and then have to pay them off before the next election.

I mean it’s a wildcard. We don’t know what DeSantis will do. Trump is not an unknown.

Or if DeSantis will convince Georgia Republicans that the election is rigged, thereby suppressing turnout, and throwing the Senate to the donkeys. Twice.

 

[oze]

This guy cannot be trusted! If he says this to the donor's, and not the American people, I'm disappointed in him.

Leaked DeSantis Camp Audio – 'Move to the Middle' After Primary.

Leaked DeSantis audio reveals campaign strategists describing their move to the middle on abortion after the primary.

thenationalpulse.com

Except that nowhere in the article is it even implied that DeSantis made the comments. The article does quote a witness who heard the comments and said that they came from a audience member.

 

[KG1]

Except that nowhere in the article is it even implied that DeSantis made the comments. The article does quote a witness who heard the comments and said that they came from a audience member.

Yep, it was a donor strategy meeting. Not an official DeSantis campaign strategy position. It was a donor simply giving their opinion and suggestions on talking points. Not an indication of an official position shift.

 

[oze]

Yep, it was a donor strategy meeting. Not an official DeSantis campaign strategy meeting. It was a donor simply giving their opinion and suggestions on talking points.

I recall meetings like this when I was gainfully employed. People were encouraged to shout out ideas for later discussion, "no bad ideas". Some called it brainstorming, but I believe that the technical term is "spitballing".

 

[nonobaddog]

Well, I hope not. That was kinda the point. Trumpers say a negative for DeSantis is that he’s unproven on the national stage. We don’t know what he’ll do. Well. That can work both ways.


If something is true, no one owns it. A scientist that discovers some physical truth doesn’t own the truth, they merely own the social construct of the importance we place on the discovery. The thing that was discovered doesn’t give a flying **** about who discovered it.

AF policies aren’t just an ideological contrivance that can be owned. There is something universally true about AF.

We agree that many of these policies will help make the best and freest society to live in. What Trump did was show people how to fight for them. He doesn’t own the idea.

What we’re doing as AF proponents leading up to the primary election is deciding who we, individually, think should be the best one to do it. Trump is the original, yes. But the original is just a starting point to be improved upon. The first car was improved upon, and then evolved to be better.

Point is, Trump doesn’t own AF. Of course more than one candidate can run on AF policies. It’s up to DeSantis to show he’s the next evolution of AF candidates, an improvement upon the deficiencies of the original. And that remains to be seen.

What is AF?