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  • KLB

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    Is it the “war on drugs” that caused this or is it the openness of drug usage? I see it the other way. It’s like much of the other ”in your face crimes” that occur today. Theft, rage, threats, violence and so much more. IOW, if the police were not successful in their drug profiling maybe it would stop; however, I do not think it is as bad as one makes it. What percentage of cars are actually profiled and out of that what percentage are let go versus those who are actually busted?

    I believe most LEO’s are leaning towards leniency. Besides, how many do you know are in jail for weed? Maybe fined for the crime they committed.

    Likewise, how may further break the law by completing a 4473 when they know better?

    Yes, it’s a mess. Until the law changes, it is still a law and the LEO is obligated to do their job. We are obligated to follow the law or suffer the consequences.

    One answer, change the law - both in the state and federally……..then watch the real problems arise.
    They aren't profiling. They are pulling people over for whatever they can.

    How do you explain away civil forfeiture? People getting pulled over and having cash stolen just because they have cash.
     

    KLB

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    As this subject keeps reappearing from time to time, I notice that the same people who insist they just want to use at home and not while out operating a motor vehicle seem to be complaining about encounters with police about drugs when they are ... yeah, you guessed it ... operating a motor vehicle
    Most of the people on here against this nonsense don't even use the stuff.
     

    BugI02

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    Most of the people on here against this nonsense don't even use the stuff.
    Wasn't our latest William Wallace wannabe complaining about officers scanning a motor vehicle for plainly visible drugs or paraphernalia DURING A TRAFFIC STOP? As in the vehicle was being operated with drugs in the car? Why would contraband be in plain sight if it was not being used?

    Folks like to say it is no different than alcohol, but you're not allowed to drink and drive either
     

    KLB

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    Wasn't our latest William Wallace wannabe complaining about officers scanning a motor vehicle for plainly visible drugs or paraphernalia DURING A TRAFFIC STOP? As in the vehicle was being operated with drugs in the car? Why would contraband be in plain sight if it was not being used?

    Folks like to say it is no different than alcohol, but you're not allowed to drink and drive either
    You can drive home with alcohol in the car and not get arrested for it.
     

    edporch

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    Very interesting. When should a LEO follow the law and when should he break the law?
    According to you, when he follows the law he is a bast*rd (creepy one) but when he ignores the law he becomes a criminal himself.

    Don’t be criticizing the LEO for doing his job, instead respect him for doing it. I think there are more creepy basta*ds in this world than creepy LEO’s.
    In the real world, the police will sometimes use their discretion and not be "Barney Fifes", obsessed with any tiny thing they can get you on.

    A friend of mine's dad was a long time Marion County Deputy several years ago.
    He was known at his discretion to pull a kid over and find a bag of weed in their car.
    In many cases, he took the weed, gave the kid a chewing out and told them to get off the streets and go home.
    He COULD HAVE arrested them, but used his discretion on a case by case basis.

    I my own case, in the summer of 1979 I was home for the summer from college working a summer job and staying with my parents.

    It was a small town, I had some beers with the guys, and didn't want to go home loaded and catch it from my teetotaler parents.
    So I drove a few blocks and parked the car on my dad's business property to sober up.

    Awhile later, a town cop came by to check me out and saw that I'd been drinking.
    Told me to get out of the car.
    I was totally polite and cooperative.
    I told him my dad owned this property as I got out.

    He then asked me, "do you think you can make it home OK?".
    I replied, "H*ll yes".

    So he followed me to my parent's house and that was the end of it.
    He COULD'VE gotten me for some things and taken me in, but he used his discretion and just followed me home.
    I HAD broken the law.

    In those days in small towns, it was more common if somebody had been drinking a little too much, not causing anybody any trouble, to just follow them home, or tell them to take it easy and go home, INSTEAD of doing the "Barney Fife" thing and try to see how many charges they could come up with and run 'em in.
     
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    You can drive home with alcohol in the car and not get arrested for it.
    Not if the container is open/visibly in use

    And it will certainly get you increased scrutiny and a field sobriety test/breathalyzer test if there is evidence of such [smell of alcohol on your person, paraphernalia such as plastic cups etc obviously in use]

    Again, the complaint is that police look for plainly visible evidence of weed during traffic stops - likely of people who reek but are nosebleed. Do you think a 'customer' of traffic enforcement would be treated differently if that inspection for plainly visible evidence turned up indications of alcohol in use?

    Bobbing and weaving. People should not use intoxicants and drive, it is immaterial what the intoxicant is. they are recklessly endangering others on the road

    Cue the pointlessly relative comparisons of how drunk drivers are deadlier than lifted drivers. They're all deadlier than they need to be
     

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    Just think if nobody drank and did drugs. Some would think what a messed up world that would be. But can you imagine?
    Better yet, just think if we went back to conditions closer to what prevailed after our founding - where you could pursue most any vice you wished privately but the respect of your peers was desired and necessary and you would be shunned and ostracized if you allowed such 'hobbies' to interfere with taking care of life's necessities. Where you would feel shame for being exposed as weak willed if you allowed your vices to rule your every day life and would be allowed to starve if you wouldn't do the necessary work to provide for yourself and your family

    There is more to freedom than being allowed to consume whatever you want whenever you want to whatever excess you want. Liberty and responsibility used to be much more closely associated
     
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    In the real world, the police will sometimes use their discretion and not be "Barney Fifes", obsessed with any tiny thing they can get you on.
    I agree. I also believe that happens more than we know. It’s rare to hear a good cop story. People who have disrespect for the law and cops will almost always tell a different story.
     

    04FXSTS

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    In the socialist country to our west they have legalized pot for any use according to state law. The Illinois state police have taken the position that one may possess and buy firearms as long as it does not go through an FFL where a 4473 is required.
    This changes on July 1st, that is when all firearm transfers must go through an FFL with a 4473. Jim.
     

    Ziggidy

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    Then share an Andy good cop story…
    I’ll help you out this one time. The internet is your friend! This is an older one but just google it and you’ll find many many more. Sorry, his name is not Andy.

    Texas officer gives homeless man helping hand​

    Officer noticed the soles in the man's shoes were worn out, and decided to offer a pair of boots that he had at home

    Jan 21, 2014


    By Nathaniel Miller
    Odessa American
    ODESSA, Texas — He may have not known it when he did it, but Odessa Police Cpl. Jeremy Walsh's gesture of kindness has brought him unwanted attention — in a good way.

    The two-year veteran of the police department had his picture taken as he proceeded to give a homeless man — whom he identified as Anthony Young — a pair of new boots and a bottle of water.

    The picture, posted on the City of Odessa's public Facebook page, was shared early Monday morning. Walsh said the event actually happened two weeks ago.

    "I had some extra boots at my house and they're actually a size too small and I found A.J. and saw if he wanted them," Walsh said of the exchange. "I figured he could use them a lot more than I can."
    Walsh said the gesture is anything but random, saying he knows the transient man as one of the many he sees during his patrol.
    Calling him "rugged" and "private," Walsh said the idea came to him one day after he noticed the soles in Young's shoes were worn out, and decided to offer the boots that he had at home to the man.
    But Young, Walsh said, is not the type of person who accepts things from people. In fact, Walsh said Young sometimes becomes agitated when people try to "force" items on him.

    But because of the rapport between them, Walsh said he was able to convince him to accept the shoes; but only at Young's request that he eventually pay the patrol officer back. "He likes to do the one-for-one sort of thing," Walsh said.

    Ronda Fox, whose family owns Odeli's, said she was the one who took the picture of Walsh and Young after she saw the police officer take the pair of boots out of the trunk of his patrol vehicle.
    Fox said she originally posted the picture on her Facebook page, not intending for it to go viral. The only reason the picture started showing up on other social media pages is because of her friend Crystal, she added.

    "My husband is like, 'You're a celebrity,' " Fox said.
    Fox described Young as a good person who does not like to accept handouts and does not ask customers coming into the store for money. The only items Young will take are food if they are offered by the restaurant's staff.

    "We called the Jesus House and they said he won't accept any help," Fox said. While Walsh denies his act was something special, adding he tries to help as many people as he can, Odessa Police spokesman Cpl. Steve LeSueur said the photo was good way to show the other things that police officers do.
    "I think the public views police, unfortunately, as dealing with negative situations," LeSueur said. "This is a different side of police work the public never sees."

    When he was on patrol himself, LeSueur said he made a point to get to know as many people as he could — business owners, homeowners and the homeless.

    While most officers also do similar acts of charity on their beats, LeSueur said what Walsh did was "above and beyond" what most officers do. "I think it's a good thing," LeSueur said.
    Walsh said he will continue to see Young while he is on the streets, and said he will continue to try to help those in need when he can.
    "I've always had a pretty obscure way of helping people," Walsh said. "I do what I can."

    Copyright 2014 the Odessa American
     

    patience0830

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    The only reason Indiana hasn't gone down that path yet is the coffers are in the black. States like MI and IL were in the red and needed the revenue.
    People forget that as long as it is illegal on the federal level, if you use it, you endanger your second amendment rights by being a habitual user of illegal drugs.
     
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