Crew member killed when shot by prop gun on set of Baldwin movie

[bwframe]

Mostly every Armor I have come across has been an old crusty guy who everyone on the set is a bit intimidated by, me thinks they bullied and disrespected a young girl and her authority. How the AD had unfettered access to the gun is another story of a probably undermanned undiciplinedoverworked crew

Toxic workplace with staff walking off set for numerous negligent discharges. Regardless of all the rest, responsibility for this goes beyond just her.

 

[walkercolt]

Condolences to the Family of Haylana Hutchins, she left behind a husband and young son.

I'm at loss wondering why there isn't more training or oversight on these so called "prop guns" and ammunition. I'm required to make sure my excavator or telehandler are safe before every use by OSHA and I that have proper and up to date training for their use and safe operation. It sounds like in Hollywood the actors can just say it's props person fault or the armorer's fault, shifting legal liability.

I'll admit I have no use for Alec Baldwin , he's been a pretty nasty and hateful person but I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

 

[IUprof]

Never assume a firearm is safe unless you check it yourself. A sad accident indeed.


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[JCSR]

Can you give a link to this article?

Mostly every Armor I have come across has been an old crusty guy who everyone on the set is a bit intimidated by, me thinks they bullied and disrespected a young girl and her authority. How the AD had unfettered access to the gun is another story of a probably undermanned undiciplinedoverworked crew

It's a shame you have to rely on the UK for news.

Production crew walked off Baldwin movie set before tragic shooting

The workers had been complaining about the fact they had to stay overnight in Albuquerque - an hour's drive from the set - and not Sante Fe because production wouldn't pay for their hotels.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Cameramonkey]

Never assume a firearm is safe unless you check it yourself. A sad accident indeed.


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PFFFFFFFFF! That is FAR beneath someone of his wealth and fame. (and IQ) That is the work of the hired help.

 

[toyotaslave]

Never assume a firearm is safe unless you check it yourself. A sad accident indeed.


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This was no innocent accident. This was pure negligence through and through. Baldwin made choices that led to this. Several times. He fired and had police escort away the production staff for protesting unsafe environments. There were already three incidents of gun discharge on the set of this film. He then made antigun assumptions to not use a dedicated firearms expert (they are all crazy gun nuts after all). And without checking if the gun was loaded (also on him) he made a conscious decision to point a gun at another human and pull the trigger. Now he may contend that he was handed one of three guns he believed to be 'cold' but he did this. He shot and killed a human. This was no accident. This was negligent homicide.

 

[Butch627]

This was no innocent accident. This was pure negligence through and through. Baldwin made choices that led to this. Several times. He fired and had police escort away the production staff for protesting unsafe environments. There were already three incidents of gun discharge on the set of this film. He then made antigun assumptions to not use a dedicated firearms expert (they are all crazy gun nuts after all). And without checking if the gun was loaded (also on him) he made a conscious decision to point a gun at another human and pull the trigger. Now he may contend that he was handed one of three guns he believed to be 'cold' but he did this. He shot and killed a human. This was no accident. This was negligent homicide.

My god did you not read or understand the posts by JCSR in this thread. What are the sources for any of the information in your post?

 

[hoglegs]

Considering he's a complete and total nutcase, I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional.

I don't know Alec, but now you can look in the mirror and ask yourself...

 

[indykid]

Disclaimers follow!!!!
This is pure conjecture on my part. Nothing that follows was posted by anything but an idea in my brain after watching enough Hollywood loves guns, hates that we own the real ones.

What if they were filming a scene, where the shooter points the firearm at the camera? I have seen many shows where you see the gun-fighter pointing a weapon at the camera for effect.

And what if it wasn't an accident? Could a disgruntled walk-off have loaded the firearm after the armorer put it on the table, not expecting Baldwin to actually point it at a camera during filming, with his aim so bad he struck the person next to the camera?

Again, the previous statement has no bearing on anything published, just an Idea from someone who once had a relative in the acting business and is trying to over think this tragic situation.

And yes, I don't think Baldwin is smart enough to verify that the firearm was safe before taking the shot.

 

[Butch627]

Guns are literally used hundreds of times a day on film sets and something like this happens every 20 years or so and each time it has happened it has been a very different cause. Its really silly all of these people who have never been on a film set and seen how it works when the rules are properly followed yet they all know so much about how it should be done.

The most ironic thing is that often times there is only only guy who is not anti gun involved in the entire process of a scene where a gun is a major focal part of it.

 

[Amishman44]

If someone handed me a ”prop gun” I’d still check the chamber and magazine (or cylinder) to see what the hell was in it. And I’d still never point it at another human being and pull the trigger. Sounds like there was a whole lotta stoopid to go around on this one and the only winners are going to be the attorneys.

I'm pretty much in this camp...if people don't know to check the chamber on a pistol themselves, no matter what the reason, meeebbe they shouldn't be trusted to handle a firearm, no matter what it's status or purpose! Waaaaay too much irresponsibility going on...
Even Tom Cruise has a 'handler' who checks his firearms before he handles them on-set!
Keanu Reeves, on the other hand, understands firearms and would know not to make this mistake!

 

[Amishman44]

I honestly hate even looking at him. So pompous and arrogant. But i feel bad for him and the dead girl and the injured producer. Accidents suck. Survivor guilt sucks.

The curious thing about 'accidents' is that...they are preventable if one understands the inherent dangers with an activity or item (in this case, a firearm) and knows how to handle them properly (in the first place) and is a responsible enough of an individual to do so safely!

 

[BigRed]

Why would that not be common practice even for the elites.

You have answered your own question!

 

[hoosierdoc]

I'm pretty much in this camp...if people don't know to check the chamber on a pistol themselves, no matter what the reason, meeebbe they shouldn't be trusted to handle a firearm, no matter what it's status or purpose! Waaaaay too much irresponsibility going on...
Even Tom Cruise has a 'handler' who checks his firearms before he handles them on-set!
Keanu Reeves, on the other hand, understands firearms and would know not to make this mistake!

I would love to see other actors chime in on this and how it is routinely handled. Because it seems like the set they laid out was horribly dangerous one.

Sounds like Baldwin himself had a ND last week that caused alarm among crew. And his student double had TWO with a "cold" gun. This time he was doing a holster draw in prep for a scene. Had pulled once without issue and then the second time Kapow.

Poor trigger discipline. It doesn't even sound like it was during an actual scene.

'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting

At least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to production managers about gun safety on the set.

www.latimes.com

 

[Bugzilla]

I bet he was screwing around and joking. How else do you hit two off screen people?

It was the magical Kennedy bullet. I read it went through the first person and struck the second.

 

[Leadeye]

While I don't know her, I have to believe that one of Thell Reed's kids knows her way around guns and movies.

 

[Bugzilla]

Condolences to the Family of Haylana Hutchins, she left behind a husband and young son.

I'm at loss wondering why there isn't more training or oversight on these so called "prop guns" and ammunition. I'm required to make sure my excavator or telehandler are safe before every use by OSHA and I that have proper and up to date training for their use and safe operation. It sounds like in Hollywood the actors can just say it's props person fault or the armorer's fault, shifting legal liability.

I'll admit I have no use for Alec Baldwin , he's been a pretty nasty and hateful person but I wouldn't wish this on anyone.

Maybe the movie industry can hire the NRA to administer gun safety training at all their sets!

 

[Hkindiana]

I'm pretty much in this camp...if people don't know to check the chamber on a pistol themselves, no matter what the reason, meeebbe they shouldn't be trusted to handle a firearm, no matter what it's status or purpose! Waaaaay too much irresponsibility going on...
Even Tom Cruise has a 'handler' who checks his firearms before he handles them on-set!
Keanu Reeves, on the other hand, understands firearms and would know not to make this mistake!

I personally detest Baldwin and have no sympathy for him ar all. However, how can an actor “check the chamber” of a REVOLVER that is supposedly loaded with “dummy” ammunition? Good dummy rounds have projectiles on them, and even have “dead” primers that appear to have never had a hammer strike on them - all for close up camera shots. I’m sure that the actors are instructed to never pull the trigger on dummy rounds, but Baldwin is the director, so he could have told himself anything.

 

[Sylvain]

If someone handed me a ”prop gun” I’d still check the chamber and magazine (or cylinder) to see what the hell was in it. And I’d still never point it at another human being and pull the trigger. Sounds like there was a whole lotta stoopid to go around on this one and the only winners are going to be the attorneys.

You can't do that on a movie set though.
The whole point of having "prop guns" is so you can point them at actors and pull the trigger.

Sure you can, and should, follow the 4 safety rules when handling guns (real or not) on a movie set, but not when shooting a scene.

If the movie or TV script requires you to point the gun at yourself and pull the trigger it's what you have to do.

In that case you would really want to make sure it's unloaded ...

 

[BE Mike]

It's a movie set. He wasn't holding a weapon, he was holding a prop.

…and it wasn’t loaded!