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    chipbennett

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    Yes and no. Totally different motion.

    It’s like hitting a driver vs hitting an iron.
    Except, one time in recent memory, the Colts kept a "kickoff specialist" as a third kicker on their roster - a situation that was viewed by everyone as an unusual/extraordinary circumstance.

    The Colts use Rigo, the punter, to handle kickoff duties normally - except, he's injured. And having the punter handle kickoffs is, again, not the norm.

    NFL-caliber place kickers, as a rule, are expected to be able to handle kickoffs.
     

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    Also, I think the difference between punting and place kicking would be much greater than the difference between place kicking and field goal kicking.
    At the level they are playing the difference would be vast.

    I wonder if keeping the third qBack Sammy E was the reason for less kickers overall. Loosing the kicker a week before opening day gave them little chance to vet the new guy.
     

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    Agree/disagree, the coaching has to be questioned if you have not had your team ready to play the first game of the season, now 9 consecutive years without an opening day win, you suck.

    Analytics has answered the question of going for it on fourth down, it should be done more than it is, but coaches fear the wrath of fans and actually are too conservative to avoid that criticism…
    I agree the stats say go for it on fourth down but I also remember the strategy of just taking the points.
     

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    On Sunday, four NFL head coaches handled their first games in that capacity. Each of them won.

    I’m talking only about coaches who never worked as NFL head coaches before. Mike McDaniel of the Dolphins. Brian Daboll of the Giants. Kevin O’Connell of the Vikings. Matt Eberflus of the Bears. Victory after victory. Four for four. Three underdogs, one favorite (McDaniel).

    Broncos coach Nathaniel Hackett can make it five for five tonight, in Seattle.

    It didn’t go quite as well for the men who previously worked as NFL coaches. Texans coach Lovie Smith tied the Colts. Jaguars coach Doug Pederson lost to the Commanders. Raiders coach Josh McDaniels lost to the Chargers. But Saints coach Dennis Allen beat the Falcons, and Bucs coach Todd Bowles took down the Cowboys. That’s 2-2-1.


     

    chipbennett

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    I agree the stats say go for it on fourth down but I also remember the strategy of just taking the points.
    Going for it on fourth down in that situation was, statistically/analytically, the correct call.

    The problem was taking the ball - and the initiative - away from the best players. You have Matt freaking Ryan at QB and the league's best RB in Taylor. Let your HOF QB hand off to JT, who can punch it into the end zone behind what is supposed to be the best O-line in the league. Don't get cute and call a Wildcat to Hines.

    (See also: Pete Carroll losing a Super Bowl in the same situation, by getting similarly cute against the Patriots.)
     

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    Kicking seemed so automatic just a few years ago and the last couple of years it has turned into roulette.

    Any thoughts as to why? There were the Colts kicking disasters and the Bengals/Steelers was nuts too.
     

    chipbennett

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    Kicking seemed so automatic just a few years ago and the last couple of years it has turned into roulette.

    Any thoughts as to why? There were the Colts kicking disasters and the Bengals/Steelers was nuts too.
    A few years ago, some old guy named Adam Vinatieri retired; kicking dropped off a bit after him.

    As for the Bengals: their long snapper got injured, and one of their TEs took over long-snapping duties during the game, which led directly to their place-kicking woes.
     

    Ingomike

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    A few years ago, some old guy named Adam Vinatieri retired; kicking dropped off a bit after him.

    As for the Bengals: their long snapper got injured, and one of their TEs took over long-snapping duties during the game, which led directly to their place-kicking woes.
    I get all that but the Steelers kicker also missed a sure winner in the same game. Kicking has become hard to find those automatic kickers.

    Maybe you make a point on Vinatieri, I grew used to the best and may still expect it automatically…
     
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