CIVIL RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION: All things Christianity

[JettaKnight]

Too funny, Ryan!



And on a serious note, is anyone tracking Andy Stanley's latest gaff / heresy?
https://www.christianpost.com/news/...nt-from-their-faith-says-andy-stanley-223818/

I haven't watched the sermon yet, but I don't understand why he keeps saying things like this. You'd think after the uproar over, "Does the virgin birth really matter?" he'd learn not to get so heterodox.

Andy Stanley Checks Himself Into Theological Rehab

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Christian charity helps tackle LGBTQ youth homelessness

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Christian charity helps tackle LGBTQ youth homelessness

I wouldn’t refuse anybody from coming into the church or into a shelter, unless there was a known history of violence or aggression. Church is full of sinners, the lgbtqrstuv community isn’t peculiar or special in that regard. Didn’t see anything in that article about preaching the gospel to them so it’s a pretty vain effort if they’re not doing that basic tenant of Christianity.

 

[JettaKnight]

I wouldn’t refuse anybody from coming into the church or into a shelter, unless there was a known history of violence or aggression. Church is full of sinners, the lgbtqrstuv community isn’t peculiar or special in that regard. Didn’t see anything in that article about preaching the gospel to them so it’s a pretty vain effort if they’re not doing that basic tenant of Christianity.

Really it all depends on if they view they the LGBTQ lifestyle as sinful or not.

Helping and loving these troubled youth is something we must do; "celebrating" their "lifestyle" is something we must not.

 

[rvb]

Went to the ARK Encounter in KY last Friday. I was pretty impressed. Lots to see, and it struck a nice balance where I found it interesting, but so did my kids. A couple of times my 7 yr old got a little bored, but the 9 yr old was asking good questions, and reading a lot of the material (which is unusual for him, so it must have been engaging).

Obviously a lot of assumptions on the design details and engineering, but they acknowledge that. Some of those assumptions/details seemed a little over the top.

Got a new Bible at the gift shop, and my wife got a big history time-line.

It's overly pricey, but to see the scale of the vessel both inside and out is worth something in itself...

We ate at their buffet. I wouldn't do that again. Pretty pricey and, well, just buffet food.

-rvb

 

[JettaKnight]

That's for the report. Something that massive does interest me for the construct aspects alone.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Went to the ARK Encounter in KY last Friday. I was pretty impressed. Lots to see, and it struck a nice balance where I found it interesting, but so did my kids. A couple of times my 7 yr old got a little bored, but the 9 yr old was asking good questions, and reading a lot of the material (which is unusual for him, so it must have been engaging).

Obviously a lot of assumptions on the design details and engineering, but they acknowledge that. Some of those assumptions/details seemed a little over the top.

Got a new Bible at the gift shop, and my wife got a big history time-line.

It's overly pricey, but to see the scale of the vessel both inside and out is worth something in itself...

We ate at their buffet. I wouldn't do that again. Pretty pricey and, well, just buffet food.

-rvb

Thanks! We've been thinking about going to see that.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

The Ark is absolutely worth the trip. Like rvb said though, not for real young kids.

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Helping and loving these troubled youth is something we must do; "celebrating" their "lifestyle" is something we must not.

Yep

 

[JettaKnight]

Sadly, racism still exist in the church.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...er-racial-discrimination-chargeswr/675447002/

 

[JettaKnight]

Anyone taken any interest in the Southern Baptist Convention's Annual Meeting?

I watched some of it live and read some reports... things are changing.


Now, I'm watching Mike Pence's address from yesterday.
2018 SBC Annual Meeting

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Anyone taken any interest in the Southern Baptist Convention's Annual Meeting?

I watched some of it live and read some reports... things are changing.


Now, I'm watching Mike Pence's address from yesterday.
2018 SBC Annual Meeting

No. Highlights?

 

[JettaKnight]

No. Highlights?

The Pence speech is nothing more than a campaign speech. I really like Pence, but... I'd like for him to be himself if at all possible.



Here's someone else's summary.
https://sbcvoices.com/sbc-2018-thankful/

 

[T.Lex]

The Pence speech is nothing more than a campaign speech. I really like Pence, but... I'd like for him to be himself if at all possible.

Based on my own personal assessment of interacting with him over the years a few times, if it sounds like a campaign speech, then he is being himself.

Seriously, at this point, that IS his identity.

IMHO

 

[JettaKnight]

So back to the SBC...

• They voted for the young guy over the old guy to be president (both very qualified).
• They were forced to confirm the firing of Paige Patterson (architect of the SBC's conservative resurgence in the 80's) over mishandling sexual misconduct at Southwestern Theological Seminary.
• They forced the nomination committee to retain a trustee that's been supportive of Russel Moore (who tends to get under the skin of old guard right wingers).
• They overwhelmingly opposed a resolution condemning SJW's.
• Pence spoke, but there was a lot of opposition before, and a lot of regrets after hearing the campaign speech.
• The 1st and 2nd VP are Hispanic and black.

This, couple with the alt-right condemnation & anti-confederacy resolutions of last year (or 2?), leads me to believe the SBC is moving into a new era where they've unhitched themselves from Republicans and politics and general and where diversity is something actively sought out.

What they didn't do is openly discuss that third rail of women in leadership... I won't either.

I have no doubt they will hold firm to the inerrant Word of God, but they've come to realize that we've entered a post-Christian phase in our country and Christians need to adapt.


PS - the Chaplin of the Cowboys did a great job speaking.

 

[JettaKnight]

One more thing, lest you think the SBC is becoming liberal or even moderate:

https://sbcvoices.com/the-sbc-has-not-gone-liberal/

It's not that the SBC is becoming less conservative, it's that modern political conservatism is becoming less Christian.

 

[T.Lex]

I think that's probably true.

 

[JettaKnight]

Based on my own personal assessment of interacting with him over the years a few times, if it sounds like a campaign speech, then he is being himself.

Seriously, at this point, that IS his identity.

IMHO

This analysis of his speech confirms that.

In his SBC convention speech yesterday, @VP used: President 61 times, Trump 12 times, Donald 6 times, God 9 times, Christ 2 times, Jesus 1 time

https://twitter.com/ryanburge/statu...witness-the-return-of-the-so-called-moderates

 

[T.Lex]

Granted, those numbers are better than most other national-level politicians.

I will also say that I think Pence is a God-fearing Christian. I think he genuinely is. I also think he believes that He has a plan for him to be POTUS.

 

[fnpfan]

I had a LONG car ride home with a solid atheist. He got hung up on aliens and just could not get past the fact that I don't believe they exist.

"Well, what if aliens came and told you they have a new Bible?"
"I don't believe in aliens."
"What?!"
[one hour later]
"What if God took humans to another planet long ago and ..."
"Shut up about the aliens already!"

To actually believe that in our ever expanding universe that we are all alone is very closed minded.. even when proof is presented some choose to live with eyes closed and fingers in the ears.