Beer Virus V

[nonobaddog]

Some have reported the shot is painful to receive as well as to administer...

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Well, definitely agree on the current Indiana metrics.

I'm still on the fence about whether or how the mandated precautions make a difference. But, I also don't know if Hoosiers' behaviors change on their own volition based on what is happening.

And, the big unknown is the mutation (or mutations) with a higher R factor.

At least in Evansville and the surrounding small towns, the mask mandate itself is and has been meaningless. When cases spike and the news reports deaths, people mask up... small towns, not so much even then.

The restaurant/bar capacity and distancing mandates are mostly adhered to in the city... those that don't at all are shutdown by the city health department after a warning or two. Small towns, like Washington, IN, nope, at least that was my experience back during the summer when it was supposed to be 50%.

When the weekend/holiday numbers are about half of the 5 day average, that's statistically relevant.

I know, I know, this is probably my own personal windmill-tilting WRT reporting standards.

What for many is a 4-day holiday weekend, Thanksgiving, affects even the 7-day average. But, I think most of us experience the huge pile of work Monday and then play "catch-up" for several days.

YMMV.

 

[actaeon277]

Horrifying Government

 

[phylodog]

We have members here who support this type of thing

 

[HoughMade]

The Indiana numbers are looking pretty good.

From an average daily positive peak (hopefully) on December 6th of 6,900 positives, today the average stands at under 3,600. The highest total number of positives we had on a single day was about 8,400 on December 2nd. Today it was 2,700, yesterday it was 2,500. These are levels we have not seen since last October. Hopefully the trend continues.

The deaths by day average is 40. It was almost 90 on December 14th. The positivity rate is on a downward trend as well. Total ICU beds available is almost 30% which is fantastic. Hospitalizations are on a downward trend as well.

Hopefully, both of these trends continue, and even accelerate their decline as more people get vaccinated. I know a lot of people, HCPs and older persons, who have been vaccinated. When we have good vaccination rates of people over 70, we should see the death rate plunge.

I hear these anecdotal stories about vaccine distribution problems, but from what I have seen all over Indiana, it seems like it is going well. I speculate that after tomorrow the vaccinations will be reported to be going great everywhere in the U.S.

 

[phylodog]

I speculate that after tomorrow the vaccinations will be reported to be going great everywhere in the U.S.

That along with everything else to come for the next four years. Sunshine and rainbows for everyone.

 

[jamil]

meh

 

[SheepDog4Life]

We have members here who support this type of thing

Canada's healthcare capacity has been whittled to the minimum because of socialist healthcare. 1,500 hospitalized for COVID and a couple hundred in ICU... brought the entire Quebec province to its knees. Live Free is right on that, indefensible.

And, we had, maybe still have, members here who thought/think Sweden's herd immunity experiment in the spring worked this summer and early fall. It did not.

 

[nonobaddog]

It looks to me like Sweden is over the hump.


And then there is california with tons of draconian restrictions on the people and businesses.

 

[ghuns]

It looks to me like Sweden is over the hump.


And then there is california with tons of draconian restrictions on the people and businesses.
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Then compare California to Florida. A state without those draconian restrictions, and a much larger elderly population.

California is at 85 deaths/100K and climbing. Florida is at 113 deaths/100K and falling.

Is Florida's higher death rate worth allowing thousands of small businesses to survive? That's what any debate about lockdowns and other restrictions comes down to. At least until California's numbers catch up with Florida. Then there's no debate at all.

 

[churchmouse]

That along with everything else to come for the next four years. Sunshine and rainbows for everyone.

And puppy's. There should be puppy's.

 

[jamil]

Canada's healthcare capacity has been whittled to the minimum because of socialist healthcare. 1,500 hospitalized for COVID and a couple hundred in ICU... brought the entire Quebec province to its knees. Live Free is right on that, indefensible.

And, we had, maybe still have, members here who thought/think Sweden's herd immunity experiment in the spring worked this summer and early fall. It did not.

No. Incompetent leadership brought Quebec to its knees. $13M CAN/month on "Covid Awareness". This is what progressive ********ery does to society.

 

[churchmouse]

Well we know of 3 more people that were sent home due to "Symptoms and tested out. They sat for a week waiting and missing work only to find they were not positive. Now 1 of them is a single mom and needs every dime she can make and this set here back severely. The other 2 will suffer a bit from the lost wages but I guess we will get some grocery's over to help feed those kids. And I will fill up her car from fuel reserves.

Covid my ass.

 

[jamil]

It looks to me like Sweden is over the hump.


And then there is california with tons of draconian restrictions on the people and businesses.
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Sure, but Sweden has 1/4th the population of California. But, both are having the same kinds of patterns regardless of mitigations. Everybody's spiking. Not everybody has the same mitigations. Everybody's kinda tapering off. The only way to stop the spread is for every individual to live in isolation. And that's just not practical.

Vaccines are probably not going to eliminate covid. Mitigations are not going to eliminate covid. Masks certainly aren't going to eliminate covid. I think we should focus on treatment, increase hospital capacity. Possibly have dedicated "covid" centers in large metro areas that are equipped to handle these peaks. We should look for innovation to help us deal with it especially in the more vulnerable populations. Every individual should take some personal steps and act responsibly to prevent them from being a spreader, to a reasonable extent. But other than that. Let 'er rip. No shutdowns. No mandates.

 

[phylodog]

Coming up on a year dealing with this crap. Nothing has worked but just like the drug war, we’re gonna keep on financially punishing millions of Americans in the name of “protecting” us. Double down again and again on policies that don’t work so we can at least say we’ve done something.

 

[NKBJ]

Just working the plan.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Sure, but Sweden has 1/4th the population of California. But, both are having the same kinds of patterns regardless of mitigations. Everybody's spiking. Not everybody has the same mitigations. Everybody's kinda tapering off. The only way to stop the spread is for every individual to live in isolation. And that's just not practical.

Vaccines are probably not going to eliminate covid. Mitigations are not going to eliminate covid. Masks certainly aren't going to eliminate covid. I think we should focus on treatment, increase hospital capacity. Possibly have dedicated "covid" centers in large metro areas that are equipped to handle these peaks. We should look for innovation to help us deal with it especially in the more vulnerable populations. Every individual should take some personal steps and act responsibly to prevent them from being a spreader, to a reasonable extent. But other than that. Let 'er rip. No shutdowns. No mandates.

Just to be clear, Sweden's cases went exponentially up the epidemic curve until they implemented... mitigations.

And, your premise that mitigations don't work, it's the same everywhere, I'll disagree...



And, before the usual suspects get their undies in a bunch, no, I do not support another lock down, in fact the opposite, "mitigations" are in place to avoid necessitating another lockdown.

And, despite the caterwauling, Indiana was locked down for about 6 weeks, late March through early May. If donning a mask to go into the local Dollar General is an existential crisis for someone, then, gee, I don't know what to tell them.

 

[phylodog]

And, despite the caterwauling, Indiana was locked down for about 6 weeks, late March through early May. If donning a mask to go into the local Dollar General is an existential crisis for someone, then, gee, I don't know what to tell them.

How may years do we need to wear masks? I know we're supposed to believe they've prevented millions of deaths and all but they can also make the wearer sick, our bodies aren't designed to suck in the same moist air we're exhaling for hours on end. Perhaps sucking in used air doesn't bother you, congratulations.

I have yet to see anyone provide any explanation as to why we've never been able to eliminate the seasonal flu yet all of these minor inconveniences (like earning a living) are apparently are going to magically work this time? How many years down the road until that happens? What happens when they finally admit that the masks aren't doing anything? Six weeks on lockdown and mask mandates and nothing has improved, there is no end in sight, there is no optimism that what the experts are saying is going to accomplish anything. New strains popping up every couple of weeks 10x more deadly than before.

 

[T.Lex]

Even after this is over, I'll prefer that any surgeon operating on me wears a surgical mask.

Oh, and I haven't seen any documented "10x more deadly" strains. If that's out there, I'm VERY interested. Some appear to have a higher transmission rate, but they are not (yet) more fatal.

The higher transmission rate "just" means that more people will get sick sooner, but the same percentage (roughly) will be hospitalized and die. It'll basically accelerate the spread (and deaths) while we try to accelerate the vaccinations.

Now... if one (or more) of these mutations increase the fatality rate... yeah... that's really bad. I think that's the premise of the movie coming out about COVID. That there is some version called COVID-23 or something.

One thing about lockdowns/etc. is that some portion of the economic toll is directly due to people changing behavior voluntarily. Some restaurants aren't opening their dining rooms, even though they can. Many people are ordering takeout even though they can dine in if they want.

The economic toll isn't completely the fault of .gov mandates, at least not here in IN.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

How may years do we need to wear masks? I know we're supposed to believe they've prevented millions of deaths and all but they can also make the wearer sick, our bodies aren't designed to suck in the same moist air we're exhaling for hours on end. Perhaps sucking in used air doesn't bother you, congratulations.

Hmmm... I wear a disposable surgical mask with a neck gaiter (yowee) over the top. I breathe thru the mask with no difficulty, I understand some have COPD and other breathing difficulties. Heck, I even started wearing it to push mow the yard over the summer (wife's suggestion) to prevent seasonal allergy flair-ups (she was right), and no problem.

YMMV.

I have yet to see anyone provide any explanation as to why we've never been able to eliminate the seasonal flu yet all of these minor inconveniences (like earning a living) are apparently are going to magically work this time? How many years down the road until that happens?

Because people don't wash their hands and stay home when sick during the flu season. I can't count the number of times I sent team members home with the flu.

I was somewhat tactful, but the overall message was "get out now, and why did you even come in when you obviously have the flu?"

"Oh, I'll survive..."

"Sure, but shut down your computer and go home... now!"

The advice for flu season has been the same for a long time, here's Oct 2019, pre-Covid:

Practice Good Health Habits

Practice good health habits to stop the spread of germs and prevent illnesses like flu.

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What happens when they finally admit that the masks aren't doing anything? Six weeks on lockdown and mask mandates and nothing has improved, there is no end in sight, there is no optimism that what the experts are saying is going to accomplish anything.

Loose fitting masks (of any type) do little to protect the wearer. Tight fitting masks that you breath THRU without leakage do.

Fauci is a ****bag who has lied multiple times... and squandered public trust in doing so. So, not only no integrity, but a dumb***.

New strains popping up every couple of weeks 10x more deadly than before.

Link? I've seen empirical studies that the UK and Denmark variants are marginally more communicable... but nothing about a 10x (or any x) more deadly strain.

ETA: Fixed link... now Web Archive link.