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[chipbennett]

I think the jury is still out on that even.

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Those deaths, unfortunately, were going to happen at some point. We're seeing the same thing in Australia and New Zealand. This virus was always going to get its pound of flesh. I think some of what this graph is indicating is merely the delayed response that was always going to happen. I'm not sure it indicates anything, in particular, about the general efficacy of the vaccine.

(And keep in mind, I've never been a huge proponent of the usefulness of a vaccine for this type of virus/disease. Our best hope was that a vaccine would provide benefit to the most at-risk, either through reducing infection rate, or attenuating infection severity.)

 

[bobzilla]

Those deaths, unfortunately, were going to happen at some point. We're seeing the same thing in Australia and New Zealand. This virus was always going to get its pound of flesh. I think some of what this graph is indicating is merely the delayed response that was always going to happen. I'm not sure it indicates anything, in particular, about the general efficacy of the vaccine.

(And keep in mind, I've never been a huge proponent of the usefulness of a vaccine for this type of virus/disease. Our best hope was that a vaccine would provide benefit to the most at-risk, either through reducing infection rate, or attenuating infection severity.)

i remember saying from the very beginning we were putting off the inevitable. Those at most severe risk were always going to be at that risk. There was hope that a vaccine could help mitigate that, and it might have had we gotten a true vaccine. Sadly we did not and we are right where we would have been 2 years ago.

About the only thing those places did was offer those people 1-2 years more and possibly helped the medical system in place not become overwhelmed. But requiring a "vaccine" with the data we have today just shows that tptb are not concerned with anyone's welfare, merely increasing their portfolios.

 

[nonobaddog]

i remember saying from the very beginning we were putting off the inevitable. Those at most severe risk were always going to be at that risk. There was hope that a vaccine could help mitigate that, and it might have had we gotten a true vaccine. Sadly we did not and we are right where we would have been 2 years ago.

About the only thing those places did was offer those people 1-2 years more and possibly helped the medical system in place not become overwhelmed. But requiring a "vaccine" with the data we have today just shows that tptb are not concerned with anyone's welfare, merely increasing their portfolios.

Yes, even the claimed usefulness of the vaccine keeps going down - eventually it might get to the truth.

 

[DadSmith]

Latest survey shows the COVID vaccines are a disaster: ~750,000 dead in US

In US, ~5M people who got the vaccine are now unable to work and ~750,000 are dead. The rate of heart issues is 6.6%, far more than they claimed. No wonder our government isn't doing these surveys!

stevekirsch.substack.com

Our latest poll is devastating for the official narrative:

a 6.6% rate of heart injury,

2.7% are unable to work after being vaccinated (5M people),

6.3% had to be hospitalized,

you’re more likely to die from COVID if you’ve taken the vaccine.

Almost as many (77.4% to be more exact) households lost someone from the vaccines as from COVID.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Those deaths, unfortunately, were going to happen at some point. We're seeing the same thing in Australia and New Zealand. This virus was always going to get its pound of flesh. I think some of what this graph is indicating is merely the delayed response that was always going to happen. I'm not sure it indicates anything, in particular, about the general efficacy of the vaccine.

(And keep in mind, I've never been a huge proponent of the usefulness of a vaccine for this type of virus/disease. Our best hope was that a vaccine would provide benefit to the most at-risk, either through reducing infection rate, or attenuating infection severity.)

That all maybe but that’s not what we were promised about this vaccine.

 

[nonobaddog]

I think they missed the real number by a little bit...

Largest CDC COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness Study in Health Workers Shows mRNA Vaccines 94% Effective​

Geographically diverse population included across 33 sites in 25 U.S. states

It says 94% effective against getting sick - "symptomatic illness" - nothing about severe illness only or hospitalization or death - in their words.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0514-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness.html

It also says...

"CDC works 24/7 protecting America’s health, safety and security."

That is so comforting to know.

 

[chipbennett]

That all maybe but that’s not what we were promised about this vaccine.

I certainly can't argue with that.

 

[jamil]

Those deaths, unfortunately, were going to happen at some point. We're seeing the same thing in Australia and New Zealand. This virus was always going to get its pound of flesh. I think some of what this graph is indicating is merely the delayed response that was always going to happen. I'm not sure it indicates anything, in particular, about the general efficacy of the vaccine.

(And keep in mind, I've never been a huge proponent of the usefulness of a vaccine for this type of virus/disease. Our best hope was that a vaccine would provide benefit to the most at-risk, either through reducing infection rate, or attenuating infection severity.)

Wasn’t the vaccine supposed to prevent the virus from getting its pound of flesh? I think that could potentially say a lot about the efficacy of the vaccine. Unless we’re willing to say the death toll would have been an order of magnitude higher without the vaccine, as is being claimed by the US pharma industrial complex.

 

[tim87tr]

Reading the Steve Kirsch substack just posted by DadSmith, it's saying the vaccine deaths are already getting close to outpacing the c19 death numbers given to the American people.

 

[chipbennett]

Wasn’t the vaccine supposed to prevent the virus from getting its pound of flesh? I think that could potentially say a lot about the efficacy of the vaccine. Unless we’re willing to say the death toll would have been an order of magnitude higher without the vaccine, as is being claimed by the US pharma industrial complex.

Eh, that's a definite maybe. With Delta, and high-risk people? Quite possibly. And I think it did save lives with Delta. But (both for political gain and for financial gain), the benefits of the vaccines were clearly exaggerated.

 

[bobzilla]

Eh, that's a definite maybe. With Delta, and high-risk people? Quite possibly. And I think it did save lives with Delta. But (both for political gain and for financial gain), the benefits of the vaccines were clearly exaggerated.

I’m not convinced it “saved lives”. I think better understanding of treatment of severe cases had more to do with that than the vax. How many mistakes did we make in the early stages in regards to treatment?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

How many mistakes did we make in the early stages in regards to treatment?

All of them.

 

[bobzilla]

All of them.

And even after that. As late as December 2021 we still weren't addressing what a person should be doing once they contracted it to stay out of the hospital. I spent a lot of time digging and not a single .gov site provided any sugestions or help for those with the virus. It was jus assumed we'd either die or not.

 

[chipbennett]

I’m not convinced it “saved lives”. I think better understanding of treatment of severe cases had more to do with that than the vax. How many mistakes did we make in the early stages in regards to treatment?

That is fair, also.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

And even after that. As late as December 2021 we still weren't addressing what a person should be doing once they contracted it to stay out of the hospital. I spent a lot of time digging and not a single .gov site provided any sugestions or help for those with the virus. It was jus assumed we'd either die or not.

EUAs cannot not exist if there are effective treatments already approved for the ailment. If EUAs have to be revoked, lots of money will not be made. Always follow the money.

 

[nonobaddog]

EUAs cannot not exist if there are effective treatments already approved for the ailment. If EUAs have to be revoked, lots of money will not be made. Always follow the money.

^^ THIS!
A lot of people died because of this.

 

[bobzilla]

EUAs cannot not exist if there are effective treatments already approved for the ailment. If EUAs have to be revoked, lots of money will not be made. Always follow the money.

Didn't even need to be an effective treatment, at least some guidance. I learned that something like 60+% of hospitalizations were partially caused by severe dehydration. How simple is it to put out a simple PSA that you need to stay hydrated, keep your electrolytes up etc?

 

[nonobaddog]

Didn't even need to be an effective treatment, at least some guidance. I learned that something like 60+% of hospitalizations were partially caused by severe dehydration. How simple is it to put out a simple PSA that you need to stay hydrated, keep your electrolytes up etc?

Or even to recommend popping a vitamin D while drinking that water.

 

[BigRed]

Not following this thread, but stopped in to see what folks are saying.

State has a long and consistent history of lies, corruption, and manipulation.

Why anyone has / had faith in it regarding this matter is well beyond me.

I have no regrets over not buying into the vax bull****.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Maybe he should have stopped by Rural King and gotten some horse paste.