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[bobzilla]

And I heard COVID can cause lasting ED, so avoiding that is a positive.

I can confirm this bid 100% false. Wife can attest

 

[drillsgt]

Do you not realize there's a counter to that? There's a lot of emotional investments of both sides.

It's certainly possible to be smug about not getting vaccinated.

The hysteria has definitely been on your side.

 

[JettaKnight]

I can confirm this [is] 100% false. Wife can attest

What, the stayin' alive or the ED?

If it's the latter, then note I said "can"; same as it can cause loss of smell. If it's the former, then I'm sorry for your loss.

 

[JettaKnight]

The hysteria has definitely been on your side.

Remove the blinders and re-read these threads. Just in the last page there's a lot of hysteria about VAERS.

 

[drillsgt]

Remove the blinders and re-read these threads. Just in the last page there's a lot of hysteria about VAERS.

People questioning deaths and adverse events is not hysteria. For someone that's said over and over how you support everyone's right to choose the vaccine or not you sure do work overtime trying to convince people to get the vaccine.

 

[JCSR]

@AlexBerenson
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Jul 21, 2021
1/ URGENT. @CDCgov has quietly more than DOUBLED the number of #Covid vaccine death reports in VAERS, the federal side effect reporting system. CDC now says it has received reports of 12,313 deaths following Covid vaccination in the US - compared to under 6,000 last week.




@AlexBerenson
2/ The new figure means CDC has now received more reports of deaths following Covid vaccination than ALL OTHER VACCINES COMBINED IN THE 30-YEAR HISTORY OF VAERS. It is not clear why more than 6,000 death reports were added to VAERS in a week. Perhaps @CDCDirector can explain.

 

[JettaKnight]

Let 's stop and think about it:
In all of the history of VAERS has there been another MASSIVE vaccination campaign that covers such a broad age range? Tetanus is the only other vaccine I've gotten in the last thirty years. What other vaccine is given to octogenarians or other "high risks" individuals? Maybe shingles?

If you think about it like that, then it's logical to think there should be a huge number of entries.

 

[chipbennett]

Let 's stop and think about it:
In all of the history of VAERS has there been another MASSIVE vaccination campaign that covers such a broad age range? Tetanus is the only other vaccine I've gotten in the last thirty years. What other vaccine is given to octogenarians or other "high risks" individuals? Maybe shingles?

If you think about it like that, then it's logical to think there should be a huge number of entries.

And - show of hands: who had even heard of VAERS (and Phase 1/2/3 clinical trials / FDA approval process) before Covid?

 

[JCSR]

Are you sure Covid vaccines are the only ones?​

State-by-State: Vaccinations Required for Public School Kindergarten​

As of July 18, 2018, all 50 states and DC require vaccinations for diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis; polio; measles and rubella (49 states and DC also require mumps vaccination); and the varicella (chickenpox) vaccination. 43 states and DC require hepatitis B vaccination (Alabama, Illinois, Maine, Montana, Rhode Island, South Dakota and Texas do not) to enter kindergarten. Some states require Hib, PCV, and Hep A vaccines to enter kindergarten. As of Aug. 19, 2020, Massachusetts is the first and only state to require the flu vaccine. Many states require more vaccines as the children age, for example West Virginia requires the meningitis vaccine at the CDC-recommended age (11-12 years old).

https://vaccines.procon.org/state-by-state-vaccinations-required-for-public-school-kindergarten/

 

[HoughMade]

I think the better question, since all almost all to all vaccine reactions happen close to the time of vaccination is how many COVID vaccinations have taken place in the last year versus how many vaccinations are given in an average year.

A starting point- there have been about 162 million people vaccinated for COVID. There are less than 4 million kindergarteners. Very few of these kindergarteners are over the age of 70 with multiple co-morbidities (which seemed pretty important when talking about COVID, but not the vaccine for some reason). Keep in mind that the VAERS registry is all about temporal correlation of a reaction to a vaccine and there may or may not be a causal relationship....as if anyone with a entrenched position cares about actual causation.

 

[JCSR]

Every person 70 years and older have had multiple vaccines before Covid. So this stands out to me. The CDC added the deaths, not random people. Should this not deserve an explanation?
"The new figure means CDC has now received more reports of deaths following Covid vaccination than ALL OTHER VACCINES COMBINED IN THE 30-YEAR HISTORY OF VAERS."

 

[Jaybird1980]

I think the better question, since all almost all to all vaccine reactions happen close to the time of vaccination is how many COVID vaccinations have taken place in the last year versus how many vaccinations are given in an average year.

A starting point- there have been about 162 million people vaccinated for COVID. There are less than 4 million kindergarteners. Very few of these kindergarteners are over the age of 70 with multiple co-morbidities (which seemed pretty important when talking about COVID, but not the vaccine for some reason). Keep in mind that the VAERS registry is all about temporal correlation of a reaction to a vaccine and there may or may not be a causal relationship....as if anyone with a entrenched position cares about actual causation.

I see what you did there.

 

[JettaKnight]

Every person 70 years and older have had multiple vaccines before Covid. So this stands out to me. The CDC added the deaths, not random people. Should this not deserve an explanation?
"The new figure means CDC has now received more reports of deaths following Covid vaccination than ALL OTHER VACCINES COMBINED IN THE 30-YEAR HISTORY OF VAERS."

Yes, they had gotten vaccines, but not in the last thirty years.

If someone over say, 20 dies then it's not getting entered into VAERS for their MMR, so what vaccine someone got long ago doesn't factor in.
And for that person over 70, what vaccine have they gotten in the last 30 years besides this one?

In the past thirty years most vaccine recipients were under twenty - an age range with low death rates. Now you've got a huge number of old people getting vaccines, an age group with high death rates.

If you get a vaccine then die, it could go into VAERS. We were up in arms about inflated COVID deaths, yet here's a database that explicitly claims to not imply causation...

I haven't looked at the data, but do the deaths in VAERS line up with general expected death rates per age group?

I think it's somewhat reasonable to say that more adults have gotten vaccines this year than the past thirty years combined.


If you give a huge number of vaccines to people, then you can expect a large number of deaths in VAERS because that simply tracks coincidences that are not necessarily caused by vaccination.

 

[JettaKnight]

JTScribe posted this elsewhere, but it's worthy of reposting:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/07/convincing-the-skeptics/
An excellent piece for everyone to read and ponder.

 

[nonobaddog]

And - show of hands: who had even heard of VAERS (and Phase 1/2/3 clinical trials / FDA approval process) before Covid?

Not VAERS - but trials and FDA approval - damn near everybody.

 

[d.kaufman]

And for that person over 70, what vaccine have they gotten in the last 30 years besides this one?

Umm......the flu shot as well as Shingles more than likely

 

[JCSR]

Yes, they had gotten vaccines, but not in the last thirty years.

If someone over say, 20 dies then it's not getting entered into VAERS for their MMR, so what vaccine someone got long ago doesn't factor in.
And for that person over 70, what vaccine have they gotten in the last 30 years besides this one?

In the past thirty years most vaccine recipients were under twenty - an age range with low death rates. Now you've got a huge number of old people getting vaccines, an age group with high death rates.

If you get a vaccine then die, it could go into VAERS. We were up in arms about inflated COVID deaths, yet here's a database that explicitly claims to not imply causation...

I haven't looked at the data, but do the deaths in VAERS line up with general expected death rates per age group?

I think it's somewhat reasonable to say that more adults have gotten vaccines this year than the past thirty years combined.


If you give a huge number of vaccines to people, then you can expect a large number of deaths in VAERS because that simply tracks coincidences that are not necessarily caused by vaccination.

Uh, children are getting multiple vaccines every year and have been when the 70 year olds were children.

 

[nonobaddog]

There is a group of anti-vaxxers that don't want any vaccine. They have been around since long before wuhu.
There is another group of skeptics for this particular wuhu vaccine.
This vaccine deserves more skepticism than most. Not because of some of the wild conspiracy theories but because it is a new type of vaccine and the development and testing were rushed and and because of some known liars pushing it. There are real risks associated with this vaccine.
Some of the skeptics will get vaccinated anyway and some won't. It is up to them and that is our way.

 

[BugI02]

Let 's stop and think about it:
In all of the history of VAERS has there been another MASSIVE vaccination campaign that covers such a broad age range? Tetanus is the only other vaccine I've gotten in the last thirty years. What other vaccine is given to octogenarians or other "high risks" individuals? Maybe shingles?

If you think about it like that, then it's logical to think there should be a huge number of entries.

Massive vaccination campaign covering a broad age range: Vaccinations for Gulf War I and II

Vaccine for old, high risk individuals: Annual flu vaccines

 

[tim87tr]

It's just a giant pissing contest right now. By the end of this year, or even maybe a few years, the final results of the human experiment will be revealed. Those in the control group can argue some more with the experimental group.