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[Hohn]

I remember probably 6 or 8 years ago when these things started getting popular a large number of guys writing the ATF so they could get individual letters with their names on them stating that a brace does not make an SBR.

Writing a letter that goes, "Hey, I'm pretty sure this is illegal, but you say it's not, so... do you mean it?" is a stupid idea. If I had to guess based on what I was seeing at the time, at least several thousand guys did exactly that. No one was pretending that there was a significant difference in function between a braced pistol and an actual SBR. It was always a loophole and I think most of us were surprised it existed to begin with.

I don't agree with any of it, but I'm honestly surprised it took this many years of poking the bear right in the eye to get a reaction... although this is like the 5th or 6th reaction because guys just can't stop poking the bear.

Exactly this. It's as if we had people assigned to write letters to the ATF that we're begging them to make something illegal just so the letters will stop.

Every lawyer knows: don't ask the question if you don't already know the answer or aren't will to risk an answer you won't like.

Some of these letter-writers I just want slap in the back of the head and yell "Dummkopf!"

 

[maxwelhse]

Some of these letter-writers I just want slap in the back of the head and yell "Dummkopf!"

I have to wonder if those same guys are going to cling to their letters with a date on them from 2015 while they're being prosecuted for possessing illegal NFA firearms in 2021.

As long as we have agencies that are creating laws on fiat authority with practically no oversight, no letter or assurance will ever be enough.

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

I have to wonder if those same guys are going to cling to their letters with a date on them from 2015 while they're being prosecuted for possessing illegal NFA firearms in 2021.

As long as we have agencies that are creating laws on fiat authority with practically no oversight, no letter or assurance will ever be enough.

Does this letter count?

 

[maxwelhse]

Does this letter count?

Sure, you can read it every single day of the 10 years you'll be in prison for having an unregistered SBR.

We're rapidly approaching 100 years of NFA legislation that is unconstitutional. That didn't stop a single person from being prosecuted under it.

I'm all for repealing the NFA. Writing letters to the ATF isn't how you do it...

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Just going to leave this here:

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[Ruger_Ronin]

Sure, you can read it every single day of the 10 years you'll be in prison for having an unregistered SBR.

We're rapidly approaching 100 years of NFA legislation that is unconstitutional. That didn't stop a single person from being prosecuted under it.

I'm all for repealing the NFA. Writing letters to the ATF isn't how you do it...

Dead men can't read. ^See above quoted post.^

 

[maxwelhse]

Dead men can't read. ^See above quoted post.^

If it comes down to that, I'll be right there with you. Meanwhile, writing letters to the ATF is a stupid thing to do.

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

If it comes down to that, I'll be right there with you. Meanwhile, writing letters to the ATF is a stupid thing to do.

Only message I have for the alphabets is in sign language. Using a very specific finger in both upwards and forwards positions.

 

[maxwelhse]

Only message I have for the alphabets is in sign language. Using a very specific finger in both upwards and forwards positions.

 

[BigRed]

Only message I have for the alphabets is in sign language. Using a very specific finger in both upwards and forwards positions.

I'm not much for sign language.

Let me just state it clearly....ATF can go straight to (content edited)

 

[worddoer]

This video has some helpful info. It seems that the ATF may be running a propaganda campaign to smear and slander the name of SB Tactical and their products. Apparently there might be some straight up lies in the most recent letter regarding the SBS determination in this fiasco.

[video=youtube;Cp8YoQIeOk4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp8YoQIeOk4[/video]

 

[Ggreen]

This video has some helpful info. It seems that the ATF may be running a propaganda campaign to smear and slander the name of SB Tactical and their products. Apparently there might be some straight up lies in the most recent letter regarding the SBS determination in this fiasco.

[video=youtube;Cp8YoQIeOk4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp8YoQIeOk4[/video]

There were definitely lies and missing context in the foia drop

 

[BroodXI]

Primary arms has the sba3 on sale get em while they're hot. 99 limit 3. Those crazy bastards.

 

[mechmc17]

Respectfully senator, this is nonsense. The responsibility to clarify the language belongs to you and the rest of your colleagues in Congress, not the ATF. Especially not an ATF soon to be led by a Biden Administration.

Easiest way to clear up any misunderstandings would be to repeal the NFA, but we know you don't have the desire to do that, nevermind the lack of will.

So now what?

No reputation points I have to give...I’d give them all for this, great point.

 

[tbhausen]

I’ve never heard of this guy before because it’s his first video, but he seems to make more sense than anyone about all this:

[video=youtube_share;IBWWayaUX1Y]https://youtu.be/IBWWayaUX1Y[/video]

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Fuddbusters is the best medicine to calm a herd of INGOers.

 

[tbhausen]

I think he said that was his first video. I think he did a very good job explaining things.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Stronger than what we got from Braun. I could have done without "common sense" (how about Constitutional?) but at no point does he mention hunting.

November 30, 2020
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Dear KellyinAvon,
​

Thank you for getting in touch with me. Your views and opinions on the Second Amendment are important to me, and I appreciate you taking the time to let me know about this issue.
The COVID-19 pandemic has brought many new challenges and opportunities to our country. A record number of background checks for gun purchases has created both a challenge for government officials tasked with clearing these background checks and an opportunity for the government to support citizens looking to exercise their second amendment rights. I strongly support the second amendment and am encouraged to see so many Hoosiers and Americans exercising their rights.
Many Americans have recently come into conflict with federal agencies influencing their right to keep and bear arms in a subjective and restrictive manner. Particularly, the ATF’s inconsistent application of the National Firearms Act has limited choices and restricted access to firearms at a time when civil unrest has led a record number of Americans to purchase firearms. I’ve recently cosponsored Rep. Roger Marshall’s Home Defense and Competitive Shooting Act as a common-sense solution to promote access to firearms and prevent recent overreach from the ATF. Disarming law abiding Hoosiers does nothing to reduce gun violence, and I am proud to represent you and your Second Amendment rights here in Congress. Thank you for reaching out to my office to share your views on the Second Amendment. The opinions of my constituents are vitally important to me.
Sincerely,

Jim Baird
Member of Congress

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

G&G does a nice cover of the most recent development. ATF has until Dec 7th to give us the criteria for determination of NFA issue here.

https://youtu.be/ZtjHjJYjhZo

Both Braun & Young were among the 16 authors.

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

The letter was released yesterday (https://www.scribd.com/document/488431301/Atf)

Summarized better than I could: https://youtu.be/yfDm5yfdh4Q .

Doesn't look very promising. I don't expect much less than all to be a tangled knot of infringement. We should all feel violated.