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  • SheepDog4Life

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    Why are you bashing McCarthy? The man was right, only mistaken in the reality being worse than he realized. We had hard evidence in form of intercepted messages to Moscow to prove it while he was thrown under the bus.
    Which is exactly the point... you can be RIGHT and still administer despicable tactics and policies.

    You believe BLANK (fill in the blank with something entirely legal, including believing in communism then or now, being pro-Trump) therefore you should be summarily fired.
     

    IndyDave1776

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    Which is exactly the point... you can be RIGHT and still administer despicable tactics and policies.

    You believe BLANK (fill in the blank with something entirely legal, including believing in communism then or now, being pro-Trump) therefore you should be summarily fired.
    I would think that actively assisting a hostile foreign government is grounds for being fired shortly before appropriate criminal charges. McCarthy may have been an ass but he certainly was not a traitor unlike some others.

    Actively working for the Russians is a lot different than merely having unpopular opinions of right and proper.
     

    SheepDog4Life

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    I would think that actively assisting a hostile foreign government is grounds for being fired shortly before appropriate criminal charges. McCarthy may have been an ass but he certainly was not a traitor unlike some others.

    Actively working for the Russians is a lot different than merely having unpopular opinions of right and proper.
    Agreed, but he overplayed his hand. Names on a list is not the same as active agent provocateurs of a foreign government. He lumped in, and agitated private industries to lump in, the "useful idiots" with those following marching orders directly from Moscow.

    Best case, laziness... worst case, zealotry.

    So, my analogy would be firing anyone at the January 6th rally or seen protesting on the steps of the Capitol... versus those attacking/fighting with police, breaking into the Capitol, etc.

    IMO, one is exercising constitutionally protected rights... the other, criminal.

    "McCarthyism" would be a list of all present.
     

    IndyDave1776

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    Agreed, but he overplayed his hand. Names on a list is not the same as active agent provocateurs of a foreign government. He lumped in, and agitated private industries to lump in, the "useful idiots" with those following marching orders directly from Moscow.

    Best case, laziness... worst case, zealotry.

    So, my analogy would be firing anyone at the January 6th rally or seen protesting on the steps of the Capitol... versus those attacking/fighting with police, breaking into the Capitol, etc.

    IMO, one is exercising constitutionally protected rights... the other, criminal.

    "McCarthyism" would be a list of all present.
    I see your point.

    That said, I also see the demonizing of McCarthy as an integral part of turning a blind eye to the subjects of the Venona Project. We aren't talking a handful of people in contact with and taking orders from Moscow. There were tons of them in the government. It also leads me to take a critical view of Eisenhower's apparent apathy. This suspicion is bolstered by his being extremely political in some ways (i.e., working the establishment to his advantage) but indifferent in partisan ideology to the point that both parties courted him to run in 1952 and he didn't give a rat's ass who won in 1960.
     

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    I see your point.

    That said, I also see the demonizing of McCarthy as an integral part of turning a blind eye to the subjects of the Venona Project. We aren't talking a handful of people in contact with and taking orders from Moscow. There were tons of them in the government. It also leads me to take a critical view of Eisenhower's apparent apathy. This suspicion is bolstered by his being extremely political in some ways (i.e., working the establishment to his advantage) but indifferent in partisan ideology to the point that both parties courted him to run in 1952 and he didn't give a rat's ass who won in 1960.
    I mostly agree, but would frame it differently.

    McCarthy's tactics were rightfully demonized. He wanted to be, and became, the face of anti-communism... with disastrous effect.

    And, in doing so, he provided cover for those trying to "sanitize" the treasonous activities of the likes of the Rosenbergs, Alger Hiss's, etc.

    The Verona Project was legit, but hard work.

    McCarthy was a camera-mongering egotist. A bull in the china shop. You have to break the constitution to protect the country/constitution, the ends justify any and all means kind of guy.

    That he was right about the core subversion, is often forgotten, easily overlooked, and hard to defend because of it.

    Today's cancel culture is his tactics, just targeting the other end of the spectrum.

    JMO.
     

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    The biggest KKK Democrat, Strom Thurmond had become a Republican.

    He asked 2 questions of every wittness at Justice Thomas' confirmation hearing.
    1. Do you know Judge Thomas personally?
    2. Have you read Judge Thomas' opinions?
    Every person that testified for him answered yes to at least one of the questions.

    Everyone that testified against him answered no to both questions.
     
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