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    Some may choose to ignore the fact that marijuana is currently being utilized quite successfully for a variety of medical conditions after being prescribed by doctors and hold on to their programming that it's icky hippy junk all they please but that does not change the facts. Same can be said for psilocybin, LSD, MDMA, ibogaine and DMT but that doesn't matter. Our overwhelmingly trustworthy and virtuous government has convinced us that they're all just worthless party drugs so we should be sure to listen to them.
    Am I the only one that remembers the “opioid crisis” when Carmelites got hooked on prescribed medications? After little Aiden got into ‘mommy’s little helpers’ did it become an epidemic…
    When my family was dying in Appalachia on the needle 30 years ago, it was just “junkies” dying…

    I’ll reiterate my point for all the ideologues advocating for the legalization of drugs that they clearly have never lived through, or experienced the late stages of addiction,

    You’re wrong. Plain and simple.
     

    jamil

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    Is the current tidal wave of drug-addled homeless people part of that 'history' you're on about?
    Homelessness has a lot of causes. The homeless crisis in California, especially SF, is exacerbated by their ridiculous and idiotic building restrictions. Because there is a housing crisis in SF, the cost for even a **** hole is unaffordable to low income people. So a lot of people are temporarily homeless because of that. Chronic homelessness involves people mental illness or drugs, or usually both.
     

    phylodog

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    Am I the only one that remembers the “opioid crisis” when Carmelites got hooked on prescribed medications?
    Sure do. Remind me again why we should turn to more of the garbage produced by the same people rather than something which could be grown in one's own back yard?

    After little Aiden got into ‘mommy’s little helpers’ did it become an epidemic…
    When my family was dying in Appalachia on the needle 30 years ago, it was just “junkies” dying…

    I’ll reiterate my point for all the ideologues advocating for the legalization of drugs that they clearly have never lived through, or experienced the late stages of addiction,

    You’re wrong. Plain and simple.
    Assuming everyone who utilizes marijuana is a drug addled failure in life is wrong.

    Lumping marijuana into the same conversation as smack is wrong.
     
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    DoggyDaddy

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    I’ll reiterate my point for all the ideologues advocating for the legalization of drugs that they clearly have never lived through, or experienced the late stages of addiction,

    You’re wrong. Plain and simple.
    DoggyMama lost both of her daughters to addiction. Still think MJ should be legal. You're wrong, plain and simple.
     

    phylodog

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    Homelessness has a lot of causes. The homeless crisis in California, especially SF, is exacerbated by their ridiculous and idiotic building restrictions.
    The homeless get paid in CA. I've seen several interviews with some of the homeless, there are far more incentives to being homeless out there than there are in trying to live a conventional lifestyle. The bleeding hearts have made homelessness attractive to many, providing them everything they need to survive and all they have to do is sit still, get high and wait for the next van of confused do gooders to pull up and give them more money, food, clothing, paraphernalia or a pre filled out ballot they can sign in exchange for a hit of dope.

    Marijuana bears as much responsibility for the current homelessness epidemic as the 55mph federal speed limits did.
     

    jamil

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    The homeless get paid in CA. I've seen several interviews with some of the homeless, there are far more incentives to being homeless out there than there are in trying to live a conventional lifestyle. The bleeding hearts have made homelessness attractive to many, providing them everything they need to survive and all they have to do is sit still, get high and wait for the next van of confused do gooders to pull up and give them more money, food, clothing, paraphernalia or a pre filled out ballot they can sign in exchange for a hit of dope.

    Marijuana bears as much responsibility for the current homelessness epidemic as the 55mph federal speed limits did.
    That’s certainly a factor too. It’s ridiculous that that the progressive solution for homelessness is to help people be homeless. I think a better solution is to help them not to be homeless. A strong economy, a healthy housing industry where supply meets demand. That would certainly prevent a lot of people from sliding in the first place. A very large population of homeless are vets with PTSD and other mental disorders. Veteran benefits exist that could help them, but they fall through the cracks.
     

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    One cannot legally buy a gun if they use mj and complete a 4473.
    Getting picky here, but completing a 4473 is irrelevant. BATFE will tell you that it is illegal for you to own, posses or use a firearm if you use MJ. So, they would tell you that if you use MJ, you cannot do a FTF purchase of a firearm from a non-dealer where there is no requirement to complete a 4473.
     

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    Some may choose to ignore the fact that marijuana is currently being utilized quite successfully for a variety of medical conditions after being prescribed by doctors and hold on to their programming that it's icky hippy junk all they please but that does not change the facts. Same can be said for psilocybin, LSD, MDMA, ibogaine and DMT but that doesn't matter. Our overwhelmingly trustworthy and virtuous government has convinced us that they're all just worthless party drugs so we should be sure to listen to them.
    Some may choose to ignore the fact that if the Democratic Party, as it is currently composed, is in favor of something then that something is overwhelmingly likely to be bad for America and contribute to its continued decline

    'So we should be sure to listen to them'
     

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    Homelessness has a lot of causes. The homeless crisis in California, especially SF, is exacerbated by their ridiculous and idiotic building restrictions. Because there is a housing crisis in SF, the cost for even a **** hole is unaffordable to low income people. So a lot of people are temporarily homeless because of that. Chronic homelessness involves people mental illness or drugs, or usually both.
    It seems rather glib to suggest that the homeless crisis in Cali is limited to SF and/or that mentally ill, drug addled people do not make up the vast majority of the California homeless
    Another challenge lies in the interactions between mental illness, drug addiction, and homelessness. In 2020, about 25 percent of all homeless adults in Los Angeles County had severe mental illnesses such as a psychotic disorder and schizophrenia and 27 percent had a long-term substance use disorder. Moreover, a higher percentage of so-called chronically homeless have drug addiction, a severe mental illness, or both.
     

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    Can we separate the concept of the desire for legal weed from democrat and republican?

    Can we separate weed from other drugs? I personally think drugs that require additional ingredients are bad, natural plants are good.

    Can we agree that government doesn't run pharmaceutical companies but pharmaceutical companies run the government?
     

    BugI02

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    Can we separate the concept of the desire for legal weed from democrat and republican?
    OK. BOTH the democrat and republican wings of the uniparty would love to have you be too self-anesthetized to care about much besides the next bowl
    Can we separate weed from other drugs? I personally think drugs that require additional ingredients are bad, natural plants are good.
    No. The people who like to insist that alcohol is a drug of abuse, too, lack sufficient objectivity to have standing. Coca is a plant, poppies are a plant, Areca palm is a plant, tobacco is a plant. The longer the human love affair with a particular dependency/addiction the more likely that the source is derived from plants.
    Can we agree that government doesn't run pharmaceutical companies but pharmaceutical companies run the government?
    No. MONEY runs government, pharmaceutical companies just happen to have more than most. They're first among equals, currently
     

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    It seems rather glib to suggest that the homeless crisis in Cali is limited to SF and/or that mentally ill, drug addled people do not make up the vast majority of the California homeless
    I did not suggest that. I highlighted SF as the poster-child for growing homelessness. I also have acknowledged that mental illness and drugs do have a significant impact. But, your article, which I’ve actually read before, said that mental illness and substance abuse (which overlaps) accounted for about a wuarter of homeless. That means 75% are due to other issues. Most of the homeless are transitional. It’s temporary. Those are due to economics. Low opportunities, and scarcity of housing pushes them to the streets until they get back on their feet.

    Chronically homeless comprises mostly mentally ill and druggies. No question. But that number has not increased dramatically like the temporarily homeless. So in the context of this thread, you would be hard pressed to show that the dramatic increase in homeless population is due to increased dreug use because they’re legal now, or possession laws aren’t enforced in those areas. It’s mostly due to ****ty Democrat policies which put many people out of jobs and their homes.
     

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    Can we separate the concept of the desire for legal weed from democrat and republican?

    Can we separate weed from other drugs? I personally think drugs that require additional ingredients are bad, natural plants are good.

    Can we agree that government doesn't run pharmaceutical companies but pharmaceutical companies run the government?
    Yeah. Like hemlock!

    Seriously, it’s not just democrats that are in favor of legal weed and republicans against. I think the more authoritarian one is, the more likely to be against legalization. The more libertarian one is, the more in favor of legalizing. There’s another category. Those who partake/don’t partake. If you like getting high you’ll want legalization. If you don’t then your preference usually falls to the authoritarian/libertarian category.

    I don’t take any drugs including alcohol. My interest is just that I don’t think the drug war has done anything promised. It’s only hurt society. Som I’m more in agreement with the libertarian side.
     

    jamil

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    Alcohol was (re)legalized in the the 30's

    The rationale was it was a harmless pleasure that people wanted and doing so would end the problem of organized crime

    Wrong on both counts

    Alcohol subsequently became a huge problem for society

    Weed has been partially legalized currently

    The rationale to further legalize it is it is a harmless pleasure that people want and doing so will end the problem of organized crime

    Does any of this seem familiar? One definition of insanity is doing the same things but expecting different outcomes
    Except that’s retarded. You’re leaving out the part where prohibition exponentially increased crime. And then as the war on drugs was waged, that created an increase in crime as well.

    Would it be better if everyone went through life with a sober mind? Absolutely. But. You can’t stop markets. You can only make criminals of people who are caught participating in one you don’t like.
     
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