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  • Timjoebillybob

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    Yep. I'd be happy to be ceremoniously/respectfully dumped into a hole in the woods and left to become nutrients for the trees. One last good deed.

    But since that's not legal, Cremation it is. And my ashes will be (hopefully) taken for one last skydive and released in freefall.

    Weird fact. If your ashes are spread on private property in Indiana, that must be recorded in the deed. I can understand a body. But cremated remains? Why would that be? They are harmless as gravel, or the limescale chips you get out of your water heater, right? Its not like somebody's gonna be digging a footer and go "Hey! Is this a tooth?" Hey @funeralweb , got any input on that? Speaking of, is it legal in IN to bury a body (quickly of course) without a vault in a cardboard "casket"?
    I'd be happy with what I've done for some pets. Dig a hole in the yard, drop me in, fill, plant a tree on top. I've got a really nice cherry tree growing where one of my dogs is. It's by the sidewalk and I wonder what everyone who walks past and grabs a handful would think if they knew. :):
     

    Shadow01

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    My father always said you don’t need to plan for your own funeral. “ someone will put your azz in the ground. How many people do you see lying around dead?”
     

    funeralweb

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    Yep. I'd be happy to be ceremoniously/respectfully dumped into a hole in the woods and left to become nutrients for the trees. One last good deed.

    But since that's not legal, Cremation it is. And my ashes will be (hopefully) taken for one last skydive and released in freefall.

    Weird fact. If your ashes are spread on private property in Indiana, that must be recorded in the deed. I can understand a body. But cremated remains? Why would that be? They are harmless as gravel, or the limescale chips you get out of your water heater, right? Its not like somebody's gonna be digging a footer and go "Hey! Is this a tooth?" Hey @funeralweb , got any input on that? Speaking of, is it legal in IN to bury a body (quickly of course) without a vault in a cardboard "casket"?
    As for deed recording, I'm going to a meeting of funeral directors for some Continuing Education. I will ask people who can give a qualified answer as I really don't have one. They are considered human remains as much as an intact human body and to bury someone on private property, they must put up $100K for a perpetual care fund and establish a cemetery. Kentuckians on the other hand can bury anyone anywhere.
    As for your second question, yes. There is no state or federal law that requires the use of an outer burial container (OBC) (concrete grave liner or burial vault). HOWEVER, most cemeteries require the use of a minimum of a concrete grave liner. This is strictly a maintenance issue for the purpose of supporting the weight of the earth that's filled in over the contents.
    A cardboard box is acceptable -I've used them more than once at the decedents prior request or that of surviving family- but actually there is absolutely no legal requirement that I am aware of that requires the use of a casket/coffin/cardboard box/body bag for burial. I'll ask that question today just to be certain that my info here is correct.
    There are a few cemeteries scattered around that do not require any container whatsoever, grave liner, casket, nada. They do a lot of backfilling as graves sink but that's their business. I once buried a casket made of thin particle board in a cemetery that had no OBC requirement. The grave digger was appalled by the sound of whatever was cracking down there while he was filling it in. He thought it was a matter of finances for the family -which was not the case- and offered to donate a container.
     

    blain

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    Ugh, progs are smearing themselves over something sensible again…

    I am looking into alternatives to forking my hard-earned money over to the scam funeral mafia.
    Wasting perfectly good high-grade wood, pumping the corpse full of chemicals, trying to hold off natural decomposition — for what? I’m dead one way or another. Wasting good soft soil and stone for a grave that nobody at most two generations later will visit… uselessness.
    The soul will go to the Maker, let the discarded shell go back to dirt, and be remembered for the deeds done and lives touched.
    You might take a look at water cremation (alkaline hydrolysis).
    Basically it replaces the roll of flames with caustic liquid, to reduce the body down to bone.
     

    Cameramonkey

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    As for deed recording, I'm going to a meeting of funeral directors for some Continuing Education. I will ask people who can give a qualified answer as I really don't have one. They are considered human remains as much as an intact human body and to bury someone on private property, they must put up $100K for a perpetual care fund and establish a cemetery. Kentuckians on the other hand can bury anyone anywhere.
    As for your second question, yes. There is no state or federal law that requires the use of an outer burial container (OBC) (concrete grave liner or burial vault). HOWEVER, most cemeteries require the use of a minimum of a concrete grave liner. This is strictly a maintenance issue for the purpose of supporting the weight of the earth that's filled in over the contents.
    A cardboard box is acceptable -I've used them more than once at the decedents prior request or that of surviving family- but actually there is absolutely no legal requirement that I am aware of that requires the use of a casket/coffin/cardboard box/body bag for burial. I'll ask that question today just to be certain that my info here is correct.
    There are a few cemeteries scattered around that do not require any container whatsoever, grave liner, casket, nada. They do a lot of backfilling as graves sink but that's their business. I once buried a casket made of thin particle board in a cemetery that had no OBC requirement. The grave digger was appalled by the sound of whatever was cracking down there while he was filling it in. He thought it was a matter of finances for the family -which was not the case- and offered to donate a container.
    Thanks.

    There was a radio commercial for inexpensive cremation services running a while back and they made a big deal about telling everyone about the deed recording issue. (as well as how you can spread them freely in certain places) Which seems odd since at that point its just a pile of ash in reality. I could see requiring recording the burial of a full urn or body, but for spreading the ashes seems to me to be unnecessary. As somebody said upthread, its quickly undetectable like pouring a bottle of sprite into a swimming pool.
     

    Ark

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    There is such a thing as a legal "green" burial. I just officiated the grave site service for one. The corpse is simply lowered in the hole wrapped in a cloth. The area is not a mowed and trimmed area, but left to grow wild. The grave is immediately filled and the service takes place later. It appears customary to plant flowers on the mound that are left to grow wild. The funeral directors hate it because it keeps them from making huge mark up on vaults, coffins and all the other accoutrements that are hung on the billing statements.

    I personally have no problem with cremation. Beware, if you handle it through a funeral parlor, they will add a huge amount to that cost. In Texas, I made arrangements directly and it was about $800. I have never needed to do that in Indiana.
    Dunno why California thinks you need some long, elaborate, heavily taxed compost system when all you need is two guys to dig a hole and roll you in.
     

    printcraft

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    You might take a look at water cremation (alkaline hydrolysis).
    Basically it replaces the roll of flames with caustic liquid, to reduce the body down to bone.

    The breaking bad method might be better, just don’t do it in a bathtub.
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    Sounds like a good option for the people that want it, not sure why it has to be political. Makes you into dirt vs ashes but you can still be 'spread' somewhere in a couple of months.

    Being buried takes longer for you to decay than people assume, I think. I worked the cemetery on Ft. Riley for a bit while active duty in the late 90s and you'd still pull up bones from Civil War/Indian Wars era casualties in an area where prarie fire had destroyed markers before the graves were plotted.
     

    TrueSeanamus

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    I’d much rather do this than be pumped full of preservatives and stuck in a steel box. Same for not wanting to be burnt to a crisp and held in some jar just to be a nuisance to carry around until you end up dumped in some field or thrown in the trash.
     

    Shadow01

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    I’d much rather do this than be pumped full of preservatives and stuck in a steel box. Same for not wanting to be burnt to a crisp and held in some jar just to be a nuisance to carry around until you end up dumped in some field or thrown in the trash.
    You could merge the two. Have you pumped full of preservatives and placed in a glass jar… :cool:
     

    funeralweb

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    Thanks.

    There was a radio commercial for inexpensive cremation services running a while back and they made a big deal about telling everyone about the deed recording issue. (as well as how you can spread them freely in certain places) Which seems odd since at that point its just a pile of ash in reality. I could see requiring recording the burial of a full urn or body, but for spreading the ashes seems to me to be unnecessary. As somebody said upthread, its quickly undetectable like pouring a bottle of sprite into a swimming pool.
    Burial of any human remains, intact or cremated, must occur in an established cemetery due to the fact that (presumably) they are containerized and thus can be moved in the future. Scattering is permitted above ground due to the likelihood of their quickly becoming virtually unnoticeable. The act must be recorded IAW Indiana Code. (Don't give people any ideas and ask about scattering a dismembered body....).
    To your other point, there is absolutely no requirement to use any type of container to bury human remains, casket, cardboard box, sarcophagus, you name it. In Indiana, burials must occur in deeded cemeteries. Most require the use of an OBC for the reasons stated earlier.
     

    Shadow01

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    Burial of any human remains, intact or cremated, must occur in an established cemetery due to the fact that (presumably) they are containerized and thus can be moved in the future. Scattering is permitted above ground due to the likelihood of their quickly becoming virtually unnoticeable. The act must be recorded IAW Indiana Code. (Don't give people any ideas and ask about scattering a dismembered body....).
    To your other point, there is absolutely no requirement to use any type of container to bury human remains, casket, cardboard box, sarcophagus, you name it. In Indiana, burials must occur in deeded cemeteries. Most require the use of an OBC for the reasons stated earlier.
    Just for clarification, would this include above ground “burials”, in a tomb or vault?
     
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