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  • miguel

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    Here's a riddle for any plumbers or people knowledgable in the movement of water within a home.

    I live in a normal neighborhood using a municipal water supply. (not Indianapolis)

    While I don't have figures, I would say our water pressure is very good, we have no real complaints under normal use. We can all wash our faces, take a shower, water the lawn, wash dishes and otherwise run water (hot or cold) on multiple floors of the house and nobody has issues...EXCEPT for this scenario, which is insane in my non-plumbing mind!

    In the event someone flushes a toilet, the hot water - at any location in the house, not necessarily the room one has flushed in - slows to a weak stream. Upstairs flush, kitchen sink hot water almost vanishes. Downstairs flush, the water coming from the shower heads upstairs are immediately sourced from the Bering Sea...ice cold.

    I understand finite water pressure leading to less pressure at individual faucets/spigots, but what in the holy hell would cause HOT WATER to be limited by a toilet being flushed? I have heard of and experienced the opposite happening...nearly being scalded by a toilet flush, but what the actual frig with an ice bath upon flushing?

    Last clue: we never had any issues with plumbing in the house until about two years ago when we bought our first agitator-less clothes washer. I know that sounds stupid, because all they did was remove the old one and hook up the new one, but that is the only other plumbing-connected thing we have modified/replaced in the time span this issue surfaced.

    Thanks in advance for your opinions!
     

    Cameramonkey

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    Turn off both spigots to the washer and test? That should simulate uninstalling the washer. (which i cant imagine how that would affect things)
     

    marvin02

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    I am not a plumber.

    Multiple toilets?

    What floor is the hot water heater on? The toilet?

    Does it act the same when any toilet is flushed?

    How close is the point where water is piped to the toilet to the cold water supply for the hot water heater?

    Pressure is dropping at the cold water inlet for the hot water heater when the toilet is flushed. A wild guess would be because of the configuration of the piping.
     

    Ark

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    Trunk and branch system plus non pressure-balanced shower valve?

    What's common is the cold side losing pressure and the shower turning hot when a toilet runs. But depending on the exact piping order, flushing could cause a pressure drop in the hot water supply, too. At your regular shower temperature, you may be biased toward the cold side, so less pressure overall would result in colder water?

    Unless some fool hooked a toilet up to a hot feed.
     

    schmart

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    Unless some fool hooked a toilet up to a hot feed.

    No joke, I've heard this recommended to minimize the tank sweating due to cold water and high humidity. Does your (hot*) water heater have a shutoff valve? If so, try turning it off and see if the toilet still refills.

    * Yes I know... it isn't a hot water heater...just a water heater. If the water is hot, it doesn't need heated! but just like calling magazines clips, seems to be common vernacular even though it is wrong!
     

    Mark-DuCo

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    Do you have an instant water heater? I'm not a plumber, but I have heard they can develop pockets of cold water in the line when water demands change.
     

    radar8756

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    In the event someone flushes a toilet, the hot water - at any location in the house, not necessarily the room one has flushed in - slows to a weak stream.

    This is actually a common Prank on Youtube - Flush the Toilets and Shower turns Colder due to lower Hot Water pressure
     

    Hoosier Carry

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    How old is the water heater? Any corrosion? Seems like your loosing pressure feeding the heater and it’s all going to your flushed toilet. What size and material is the cold water line feeding your heater?
     

    CHCRandy

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    No joke, I've heard this recommended to minimize the tank sweating due to cold water and high humidity. Does your (hot*) water heater have a shutoff valve? If so, try turning it off and see if the toilet still refills.

    * Yes I know... it isn't a hot water heater...just a water heater. If the water is hot, it doesn't need heated! but just like calling magazines clips, seems to be common vernacular even though it is wrong!
    The hot water will melt the wax ring and cause a leak. I have seen that happen before. Take the toilet off and nothing but the rubber.
     

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    1. Toilet is running on hot water. Flush if a couple or three times. Then put the top off the tank and feel the water to see if it is warming up. If so, there is your problem.

    2. If you have hard water or owl water lines the warm water lines will lime up first reducing the flow. Reduce the ID of the pipe and you will reduce the flow as the pressure remains the same.

    3. Newer reduced flow shower heads are notorious for liming up and catching grit and sand. Check them for flow. May be install a whole house filter where it comes in to reduce the roughest of grit from stopping everything up. Cost me a couple dollars a month or two to change it out. Easy fix.
     

    PapaScout

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    IANAP :) Water follows the path of least resistance right? So it's easier for the water to fill the toilet tank than to replace the hot water leaving the water heater. Try turning the toilet fill valve down a bit for a slower fill rate.
     

    miguel

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    Thanks for the many replies and ideas!

    Turn off both spigots to the washer and test? That should simulate uninstalling the washer. (which i cant imagine how that would affect things)

    Good idea, I will try this. I agree, it is a conspiracy theory of mine that "the washer is to blame!" :):

    How old is the water heater? Any corrosion? Seems like your loosing pressure feeding the heater and it’s all going to your flushed toilet. What size and material is the cold water line feeding your heater?
    Seven years old, maybe? Line is copper. Not sure of dimensions of line, assuming 1/2" just from memory.

    I am not a plumber.

    Multiple toilets?

    What floor is the hot water heater on? The toilet?

    Does it act the same when any toilet is flushed?

    How close is the point where water is piped to the toilet to the cold water supply for the hot water heater?

    Pressure is dropping at the cold water inlet for the hot water heater when the toilet is flushed. A wild guess would be because of the configuration of the piping.
    Water heater in basement, toilets upstairs and down.
     

    miguel

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    Well, I shut off the water to the washing machine and flushed...still low flow out the HOT side all around.

    That said, I think it is still the washer's fault. :D

    I will keep trying.
     

    HoughMade

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    I'm with those who say to shut the valve down a bit going into the toilet tank. This is a simple matter of there not being enough VOLUME (not pressure) to run 2 high-demand fixtures at a time. Make one of them not a high-demand fixture by closing the valve to about 50%.

    Unless it's a mercy-flush situation, you don't care that it takes 30 seconds longer to fill the tank. Even then, if you have to flush twice in that time.....you have bigger problems.
     
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