Justice Department proposes new regulation on firearm definitions that targets 'ghost guns'

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    From 2016 to 2020, more than 23,000 un-serialized firearms were reported to have been recovered by law enforcement from potential crime scenes -- including in connection with 325 homicides or attempted homicides, according to the news release.

    That's a little vague.

    Are these "kit guns" or are these guns with the SN scrapped off?
     

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    There's more to come. Stay tuned.......

    " Attorney General Merrick Garland wrote in a Friday news release. "Although this rulemaking will solve only one aspect of the problem, we have an obligation to do our part to keep our families and our neighborhoods safe from gun violence."
     

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    So what part of this isn't already law? FFLs have to put serial numbers on completed stripped lowers or any completed firearm, and they have to be transferred.


    Once implemented, the proposed rule will help regulate the sale of the "ghost guns" in various ways including, keeping guns from being sold to convicted felons and other prohibited buyers with background checks; setting out requirements for federally licensed firearms dealers to have a serial number added to 3D printed guns or other un-serialized firearms they take into inventory and requiring that manufacturers include a serial number on the firearm "frame or receiver" in easy-to-build firearm kits.
     

    1775usmarine

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    That's a little vague.

    Are these "kit guns" or are these guns with the SN scrapped off?
    I thought forsenic techs could still get serials from firearms that have been scrapped off? Then again I guess those numbers wouldn't be that high if theyposted the true numbers after all attempts were used to recover the serials.
     

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    Found an alleged copy of the proposed regs. Haven’t had time to dig in deep so any input from the legal scholars here would be appreciated.

    right off the bat it seems that this puts the sig p320 frames as a part that now needs to be 4473’ed

    Edit: it appears that maybe uppers will become serialized since they hold the bolt and hammer?

    edit #2: also appears to ban or require a 4473 for kits such as AK kits or any other demil kit.
    Appears that DIY suppressors where you drill the holes after approval will be banned or require makings/paperwork ( I don’t understand NFA it’s unconstitutional to begin with)

    edit#3 everytown mentioned by name. Justification of legality seems to be that it won’t cost much money. Only 12k for existing manufacturers to retool (that seems low since I just saw on Reddit someone getting quoted 100k for a new injection mold order).


     
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    I thought forsenic techs could still get serials from firearms that have been scrapped off? Then again I guess those numbers wouldn't be that high if theyposted the true numbers after all attempts were used to recover the serials.
    Fake science at best. Comes down to trying to determine what is under the scratches. Just like barrel ballistics it’s better on tv shows like CSI than in real life.
     

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    325 homicides and attempted homicides from 2016-2020. We have about 325 homicides with all rifles per year. To have 325 out of all firearm-related homicides AND attempted homicides over a (presumably) 5 year period? Is this the gun show loophole 0.8%?
     

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    325 homicides and attempted homicides from 2016-2020. We have about 325 homicides with all rifles per year. To have 325 out of all firearm-related homicides AND attempted homicides over a (presumably) 5 year period? Is this the gun show loophole 0.8%?
    Yes, incremental steps towards everything being on record to start the registry.

    I’m honestly waiting for the atf to outsource 4473’s so they can start a registry through a private company.
     

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    Fake science at best. Comes down to trying to determine what is under the scratches. Just like barrel ballistics it’s better on tv shows like CSI than in real life.
    I'm not sure what's "fake" about it.

     

    KellyinAvon

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    Yes, incremental steps towards everything being on record to start the registry.

    I’m honestly waiting for the atf to outsource 4473’s so they can start a registry through a private company.
    You mean like outsourcing 1st Amendment violations to big tech and 4th Amendment violations to Bank of America?
     

    Kutnupe14

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    You mean like outsourcing 1st Amendment violations to big tech and 4th Amendment violations to Bank of America?
    It’s hard to argue 1st and 4th violations when people freely enter into agreements allowing such “violations.” Providers aren’t, or shouldn’t be obligated to respect such rights, as long as the consumer has the ability not to use their service.
     
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