DeSantis 2024?

[SheepDog4Life]

Once a D always a D, amiright?

Probably the worst part of that was he went 100% for Romney, lol!

 

[KG1]

Probably the worst part of that was he went 100% for Romney, lol!

He backed a number of GOP losers. McCain and Paul Ryan as well.

 

[Ziggidy]

Because Trump doesn't give the slightest **** about doing things differently than how they've always been done.

We spent a generation thinking about making the capitol of Israel Jerusalem, but we never did because we were so scared it'd start a world war. Trump just did it, no ****ing about at all. He does not care about the established norms and way of doing things. This is how we got out of NAFTA.

I don't believe DeSantis will be that way.

Trump has nothing to lose.

 

[KG1]

Because Trump doesn't give the slightest **** about doing things differently than how they've always been done.

We spent a generation thinking about making the capitol of Israel Jerusalem, but we never did because we were so scared it'd start a world war. Trump just did it, no ****ing about at all. He does not care about the established norms and way of doing things. This is how we got out of NAFTA.

I don't believe DeSantis will be that way.

I don't know what you are basing your belief on that DeSantis just wants to follow established norms as the way of doing things. Has he spoken like an establishment candidate or shown a propensity to follow establishment norms?

I believe he's said that the GOP needs to reject the culture of losing that has taken hold of the party. Seems to me like he wants to lead the party away from the culture of accepting loss as being just the way it is. Sounds pretty similar to me of what Trump has said.

This is taken right from his campaign website.

Ron DeSantis for President

I am running for President of the United States because I want to lead Our Great American Comeback. Our country is going in the wrong direction. We see it with our eyes and we feel it in our bones...

rondesantis.com

You can't do any of this if you don't win.

There is no substitute for victory -- we must end the culture of losing that has infected the Republican party.

The tired dogmas of the past are inadequate for a vibrant future -- we must look forward, not backwards

Those don't sound like the words of someone who just wants to follow established party norms of the past that aren't working.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

DeSantis Campaign Says It Raised $8.2 Million in 24 Hours after Launch | National Review

The total includes both online contributions and donations secured by callers who participated in a ‘Ron-O-Rama’ phone campaign Thursday.

www.nationalreview.com

While former president Donald Trump raised roughly $9.5 million in the six weeks after announcing his own 2024 bid in November.

 

[KG1]

DeSantis Campaign Says It Raised $8.2 Million in 24 Hours after Launch | National Review

The total includes both online contributions and donations secured by callers who participated in a ‘Ron-O-Rama’ phone campaign Thursday.

www.nationalreview.com

The campaign raising 8.2 million in 24 hours if true doesn't exactly look to me like his launch was a total bust.

 

[BugI02]

Is Musk a hated nevertrumper now?

Musk is blackpilled, but it would be wise to remember that the interests of a billionaire - any billionaire - align well with our interests only by chance

I think Musk realizes if we become a failed state like SA that there will be no safe spaces for capitalism and libertarianism, so he wants to do his part to turn back the tide. That doesn't mean his ideas for what America should be should be any more influential than anyone else's

 

[KLB]

Musk is blackpilled, but it would be wise to remember that the interests of a billionaire - any billionaire - align well with our interests only by chance

I think Musk realizes if we become a failed state like SA that there will be no safe spaces for capitalism and libertarianism, so he wants to do his part to turn back the tide. That doesn't mean his ideas for what America should be should be any more influential than anyone else's

Is that a yes?

 

[INPatriot]

Many have called DeSantis "Trump, without the drama and/or baggage." The Fox News/WSJ/Donor Class/Establishment/Country Club/Chamber of Commerce/NeoCon/Limpd*ck Republicans hated Trump and his agenda because it endangered their power.

These people are now throwing their money and influence behind DeSantis. Have they seen the light and really believe in the cause of The Great American Comeback (which is essentially Making America Great Again)? Are they behind DeSantis just to beat Trump? Are they behind DeSantis because they believe if Trump would lose the Primary, he would run independently? Thus sparing their grip on power as a Trump - I, DeSantis - R, Biden - D 2024 Election is a guaranteed Biden win.

I believe that Trump is running for President in 2024 no matter who wins the GOP Primary.

This is my concern over the rhetoric ramping up between Trump and DeSantis. DeSantis needs the Trump vote to win in a Presidential Election. Trump needs supporters of DeSantis to push the button or pull the lever for him in the Presidential Election knowing that DeSantis is the man in 2028.

 

[BugI02]

I didn’t catch the official campaign launch on Twitter. (Does that put me out of the running for the “my guy” supporter of the year award?)

Anyway so I guess things weren’t so smooth in the campaign rollout? If we’re keeping score I think this is a fair point loss for DeSantis. You hype up something like this, you better deliver. I think DeSantis wants to show his “doer” chops.

I think he was out of his depth and it shows. I would have preferred he just make a simple announcement to get the ball rolling, save the experimental stuff for less momentous occasions. All he did was add to the impression of Republicans/white guys just don't understand the way the world works now

He got some good things done in FL. I just think unforced errors undermines what I think is a good platform and the impression of his competence on the national stage.

IIRC a regular poster on this board was often at pains to point out that that competence had never been tested and was a big question mark. What if Ron really does have feet of clay?

Schlichter, who was recently mentioned, advocates let them fight it out and then vote in droves for whoever wins the primary. NOT EXACTLY the tune the INGO Greek Chorus singing

 

[BugI02]

Is that a yes?

No

 

[KLB]

Schlichter, who was recently mentioned, advocates let them fight it out and then vote in droves for whoever wins the primary. NOT EXACTLY the tune the INGO Greek Chorus singing

This is exactly what I hope happens. I am pretty sure that barring an independent run, whichever wins the nomination will win this state.

 

[Leadeye]

When the visual announcement failed he should have gone live on a stage and grasped both the microphone and stand while shouting "See, I have taken the media with both hands".

Hey, it worked for William the Conqueror.

 

[BugI02]

The way I see it at this point is going to be a hard choice. My belief is that Ron will be more effective at fighting the culture war, while Trump will be more effective at getting us back to a good place economically and militarily.

In my opinion the culture war is a matter for the public to fight rather than the government. When the public wants to fight, it's more effective than anything government can do, just look at Bud.

Where the public can't really make effectual change, like the economy and military, that's really up to a good administration. Which solidifies where I'm at currently.

If I understand you correctly, I agree

Obviously I think Trump is the better man to head up the effort, but the solution needs the organizational skills and talent bench of the main Republican Party to back him up this time, like they still did for Reagan even though at the time he was considered outside the mainstream. Take the opportunity they're given and run with it

I agree that the culture wars are vitally important but also not particularly amenable to direct application of executive power. Things like ending Chevron diference and restraining government overreach - especially in the area of 'emergency powers'- is much more in the people's interest when coupled with moving to get the country out of its induced tailspin. The government can and should tell the people they will not hinder their fight to take back their power, and will help where it can, but the power belongs with the people and a government powerful enough to tell everyone what to do always runs amok. They should use the example of the EU and how eventually, just before Brexit, it wanted to tell people how much electricity their toasters and teapots would be ALLOWED to use

"The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it." - H.L. Mencken

 

[KG1]

I believe that it was said before by a certain someone here that he would welcome an AF candidate such as Schlichter and referred to him as even "Trumpier than Trump."

The same Kurt Schlichter that gave DeSantis major props in a recent article as being a "cold calculated and ruthlessly effective hellfire missile" that is capable of leading the charge against the Democrat leftist opposition.

Seems to me that Schlichter who was described by a certain someone as an "AF candidate who they would be interested in for consideration that was even "Trumpier than Trump" would have no trepidation about DeSantis being capable of leading the charge as well. Someone worthy of voting for in the general election because in his opinion he sees that that DeSantis is a proven fighter in the ring.

 

[BugI02]

I don't understand what makes anyone think that DeSantis is'nt capable of getting us back to a good place economically and militarily as well as Trump while fighting the bureaucratic admirative state and the cultural rot.

We keep hearing this a lot from some here over and over "We need a fighter!' We need a fighter!" but yet they don't want to seem to recognize DeSantis as one.

My contention once again is that Trump isn't the only proven fighter capable of taking it hard to the opposition in the ring.

My personal example is when DeSantis said (correctly) that the Ukraine war was a 'territorial dispute' and not a top security concern of the US, and then when he got pushback - which should have been no surprise - he IMMEDIATELY backpedalled

In the well regarded INGO tradition of adopting the most derogatory interpretation of events and actions by whoever isn't the guy you have (or don't admit you have), I will conclude his owners jerked his leash

 

[BugI02]

So we just gloss over the fact that DeSantis did the same thing April 1, 2020 and didn't lift the last restriction until almost 6 months later? He gets props for recognizing early that such restraints were unsustainable, but is that because he is an innate supporter of personal freedoms or because he runs a state HEAVILY dependent on tourism and travel and he could see the writing on the wall

I know I'M glossing over a big thing for you, which is Trump's lack of 'repentence' for want of a better word. I just will admit that I AM glossing things over. I don't see anything to be gained by a show of public contrition by him at this point and thus I don't see the point

Your critique of 'my candidate, right or wrong' is valid, but you should already be seeing the same behaviors of Trump supporters that were so roundly criticized beginning to be displayed by DeSantis supporters - with the fig leaf of 'I don't have a guy' to somehow excuse this

As this campaign plays out you will see DeSantis supporters display EVERY behavior they found fault with in Trump supporters and they will find reason to excuse every one of them

You heard it here first

 

[KG1]

DeSantis said in a recent interview with Trey Gowdy when asked about the war in eastern Europe. (Ukraine v Russia) is one that he would like to be settled and does not want to see a wider war. He said that he doesn't want to see the United States get further enmeshed in a war between Russia and Ukraine.

 

[BugI02]

I believe that it was said before by a certain someone here that he would welcome an AF candidate such as Schlichter and referred to him as even "Trumpier than Trump."

The same Kurt Schlichter that gave DeSantis major props in a recent article as being a "cold calculated and ruthlessly effective hellfire missile" that is capable of leading the charge against the Democrat leftist opposition.

Seems to me that Schlichter who was described by a certain someone as an "AF candidate who they would be interested in for consideration that was even "Trumpier than Trump" would have no trepidation about DeSantis being capable of leading the charge as well. Someone worthy of voting for in the general election because in his opinion he sees that that DeSantis is a proven fighter in the ring.

Will DeSantis lose if he runs to the right of Trump?

DeSantis appeals to conservative critics of foreign entanglements with his sometimes skeptical remarks about US involvement in Ukraine

thespectator.com

Trump’s success in running against the Republican establishment suggests Republicans don’t even like the Republican Party.

Which is exactly what negative partisanship would lead you to expect. Republicans don’t love the Republican Party; they fear and loathe the Democrats. Donald Trump’s personal brand is more popular within the GOP than the party’s own brand, or conservatism’s. An anti-Democrat, somewhat anti-Republican and not consistently conservative candidate may be exactly what GOP voters want. If so, DeSantis’s true-blue ideological appeal will cost him the nomination.

Caveat, it might take some cache-clearing in order to get the entire article to display without having to register, but it was still doable as of a few minutes ago

 

[BugI02]

Some language

Dismissive AND Disrespectful

Trump gets me!
Of course I love it!