A Negative Trend, Be Prepared for What is Next

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    It's been interesting following political and social discourse both domestically as well as globally since the early 2000's. I may not have been following this discourse as long as some of the old timers on this site, but even with the short span of political history that I've witnessed and paid attention to (2016 to present), there has been a grim trend of further escalation. Judging current events and comparing to historical anecdotes, I've come to the conclusion that we are in the midst of a full fledged communist takeover/falling empire in this country. I'm sure many here have also witnessed this, but I wanted to make a thread focusing on this trend and where it will head next. I will probably be 'preaching the choir' to a lot on here.

    The 'Trend' I mention is that even though violence has always occurred in our country, it is starting to become more organized, homogenous, and motivated since only a few years ago. Organized as in certain lines are starting to be drawn in the sand (Left vs. Right, Gay vs. Straight, Trans vs. Normal). Homogenous as in it's starting to occur in outside the expected demographics and in more neutral areas (Portland vs. Small Midwest Town), Motivated as in violence isn't being committed out of passion or because a mob has gotten out of control, individuals are targeted by zealots for the beliefs and then paraded by their relevant priest class. Take this recent Nashville shooting as an example. Now I cannot say for certainty that this was politically motivated, but you have many people coming out and promoting and supporting the shooter regardless of her motivations, simply because it was against their political adversaries. This really didn't happen a few years ago. There may have been murmurs, but now it unfortunately appears the 'Time for Talk' has ended for many. Even though all political factions have zealots that will fight to the death for their specific tribe, one side is definitely more engaged than the other.

    The cause of this trend, however has many faces. The primary one being something called 'Scapegoating', which is something that always occurs before a communist revolution or a collapse of an empire. It was how Hitler came to power. He blamed the Jews, Gypsies, Mentally Infirmed for all the problems of society. Most people either believed in it with a fanatic passion, or went along to get along (See Stanley Milgram's Experiment). A quote coined recently by Steve Quayle conveys this perfectly: "Identify, Vilify, Nullify, Destroy". Identify anyone who would pose an effective resistance, Vilify them in the public eye and make them seem like the root of all evil, Nullify their ability to challenge their accusers in the court of public opinion (Censorship), Destroy the target now that it is publicly acceptable. Governments will use this process to cast blame for failing policies. Scapegoating is usually followed by genocide of the targeted population.

    The point of this long post is to identify the trend, what may be causing it, and where it will go. At the risk of sounding like chicken little, I do not believe this will get better, and there is no stopping it without a fight. This is not a call to action or anything, I believe in being peaceful until you are forced to defense. Again, I am also not saying the Nashville shooting was 100% politically motivated, however the response from people actively calling for violence and being publicly okay with Christian kids being murdered shows that shows that the Overton Window has shifted from several years ago. I am also not saying it will be 'bullets and bombs' everywhere at once, more likely an exponential de-stabilization in certain regions and smaller cells in other regions (again Portland vs. Midwest Small Town). Keep your head on a swivel, it will get worse before it gets worse.

    Some good references:
    "The Fate of Empires and Search for Survival" - By. Sir John Baget Glubb
    The Stanley Milgram Experiment
    The Stanford Prison Experiment
    Strauss-Howe Generational Theory
     

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    So, when we have one of the two practicable political parties target certain groups of people and major news networks running a 24/7 focused topic scare campaign, things are probably going to get ugly. Maybe if we could stop trying to demonize people we don't understand, things could improve. The whole mindset of having to pathologize and eradicate people different than us is the problem IMHO, and it is going to manifest in strange unpredictable ways.

    Two thoughts:
    Scapegoating a group based on the actions of an individual is NAZI propaganda 101.

    Probably no group is going to be subjugated and criminalized into nonexistence peacefully.


    When they came for the jews, I didn't say anything because I'm not a jew......etc.
     
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    There’s absolutely no chance of a compromise with the enemy that stops the current train wreck unless complete capitulation by the right is the offering. Set back, relax, make the necessary stores to provide the protection you feel you need and wait for the collapse. No one will put themselves out front to keep it from happening. We couldn’t even stand up and stop a fraudulent election. No one will stop this train.
    Venezuela here we come….
     

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    So, when we have one of the two practicable political parties target certain groups of people and major news networks running a 24/7 focused topic scare campaign, things are probably going to get ugly. Maybe if we could stop trying to demonize people we don't understand, things could improve. The whole mindset of having to pathologize and eradicate people different than us is the problem IMHO, and it is going to manifest in strange unpredictable ways.

    Two thoughts:
    Scapegoating a group based on the actions of an individual is NAZI propaganda 101.

    Probably no group is going to be subjugated and criminalized into nonexistence peacefully.
    Exactly, demonizing Christians, Conservatives, 2A supporters, and Caucasians in this country as some sort of bigots or general racists has to stop.
     

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    I rarely see any dissent on the left. The purple hair and the normie left all are usually in agreement. But not on the right, I often post threads just to see where we are. Now maybe some are playing contrarian but INGO certainly is not lock step, even though most are of conservative leaning. So while conservative leaning folks debate the left moves on…
     

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    What laws are being passed against Christians, Conservatives and Caucasians? (2A stuff is obvious)
    This question is an example of the problem. The left figured out that they could not pass laws so they co-opted employers, media, social media, etc. to do that which is near impossible for them to achieve legislatively…
     

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    This question is an example of the problem. The left figured out that they could not pass laws so they co-opted employers, media, social media, etc. to do that which is near impossible for them to achieve legislatively…
    Ok, but another way to say that the culture is changing. Is it not worse (or more literally persecution) if actual laws are passed?
     

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    What laws are being passed against Christians, Conservatives and Caucasians? (2A stuff is obvious)
    Where did I mention laws? We can go to the Colorado Baker that was forced to bake a cake if needed… that combines Christians and business owners in one injustice. We have conservative parents being arrested as terrorists at school board meetings because they hurt the feelings of weak communist board members. If you expect to have a list of tit for tat laws to decide who has had the most injustice, you’re going down the wrong path. Frequency doesn’t equal inequality.
     

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    What laws are being passed against Christians, Conservatives and Caucasians? (2A stuff is obvious)
    I understand the point you are making, but there is a difference between 'De Jure' and 'De Facto'. It doesn't matter if there is a law if people do things anyway. When a belief becomes popular enough, it may eventually become a law. So yeah, there may not be overtly anit-christian bills being passed, they may come if the Overton Window continues to shift. And even then, people can still discriminate without laws saying it's okay to discriminate.
     

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    Ok, but another way to say that the culture is changing. Is it not worse (or more literally persecution) if actual laws are passed?
    Not necessarily. When the spirit of the age gets enough people to go along with his corruption, by black listing or out right attacking those of us that won't, not a single law needs to be passed. Look what happen a couple years ago when you wouldn't wear a mask or up to just a few months ago when you wouldn't get your shots. No laws were passed to make employers fire you for not going along. These things are all connected.
     

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    So government silencing speech by getting others to do it is ok? Is it any different if the same outcome is achieved?
    No, but overtly is worse than covertly no? You can't convict someone under the rule of law with "covert". Also, I don't have evidence that "the government" is silencing people. That sounds awfully close to conspiracy theory stuff to me.
     

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    Not necessarily. When the spirit of the age gets enough people to go along with his corruption, by black listing or out right attacking those of us that won't, not a single law needs to be passed. Look what happen a couple years ago when you wouldn't wear a mask or up to just a few months ago when you wouldn't get your shots. No laws were passed to make employers fire you for not going along. These things are all connected.

    I honestly don't understand this complaint. It wasn't some conspiracy, it was people (maybe or maybe not improperly) trying to protect society from a horrible virus. It seems to me, and this will probably trigger a lot of people, ostracization was more or less invented by religion. I just don't see any serious oppression happening of the groups mentioned. (again except 2A)
     

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    I honestly don't understand this complaint. It wasn't some conspiracy, it was people (maybe or maybe not improperly) trying to protect society from a horrible virus. It seems to me, and this will probably trigger a lot of people, ostracization was more or less invented by religion. I just don't see any serious oppression happening of the groups mentioned. (again except 2A)
    I disagree. Singling someone who is different has its roots in tribalism, and is probably as old as civilization itself. Religion is more a system of basing an individual's outlooks and ideals on a set of dogmas. Religion can be Theocratic or more Secular in nature, but is a form of Tribalism none the less.
     

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    I honestly don't understand this complaint. It wasn't some conspiracy, it was people (maybe or maybe not improperly) trying to protect society from a horrible virus. It seems to me, and this will probably trigger a lot of people, ostracization was more or less invented by religion. I just don't see any serious oppression happening of the groups mentioned. (again except 2A)
    Excuse me if I am misunderstanding you. Are you saying you saw no oppression, no ostracizing during the period of time from about June 2020 through a good part of 2022? If you are, we have very different experiences and news sources.
     

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    I honestly don't understand this complaint. It wasn't some conspiracy, it was people (maybe or maybe not improperly) trying to protect society from a horrible virus. It seems to me, and this will probably trigger a lot of people, ostracization was more or less invented by religion. I just don't see any serious oppression happening of the groups mentioned. (again except 2A)
    Then maybe you need to get more closely involved in those groups to see what is happening to them that you may not see because you are not a part of them.
     

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    Then maybe you need to get more closely involved in those groups to see what is happening to them that you may not see because you are not a part of them.
    What makes you think I'm not? My grandfather was a very popular Pentecostal minister for the first 50 years of my life. To be honest, I'm ashamed of the way most of them act.
     

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    Excuse me if I am misunderstanding you. Are you saying you saw no oppression, no ostracizing during the period of time from about June 2020 through a good part of 2022? If you are, we have very different experiences and news sources.
    Can you help me out here, I don't know what you're talking about. I live a pretty quiet life and I'm not hyper politicized. Honestly.
     

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    I disagree. Singling someone who is different has its roots in tribalism, and is probably as old as civilization itself. Religion is more a system of basing an individual's outlooks and ideals on a set of dogmas. Religion can be Theocratic or more Secular in nature, but is a form of Tribalism none the less.
    Fair enough, I was just thinking of things we have formal words for: Excommunication, shunning, avoidance, disfellowshipping, herem, etc. Really vicious stuff.
     
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