"My 5 Shot Snubby is Good Enough"

[Expat]

It was a joke... don't Denny it. Wait... too late.

I even put a smiley face but apparently it still went past him.

 

[Joniki]

Classic display of agonal respirations.

 

[tcecil88]

The person videoing this evidently had nerves of steel. It seems like whenever you see YouTube and other videos of shootings, you hear and see the first shot and then its pavement as the person is scrambling for cover. This person caught all the shots and followed the man to the ground where he presumably expired.
Caliber/capacity debate aside, that dude was so jacked up on anger and adrenaline, or whatever, that he walked right into the shots without a care. I always tell my family and friends that if they have to shoot someone, plan on shooting them until either they drop, or turn and run away and are no longer a threat. People can take a lot of damage before they decide to quit whatever is is they are doing that results in the damage.

 

[Tactically Fat]

If I were a cop - then no, it's not good enough.

But I ain't a cop. I don't do cop things. I don't deal with what coppers doing copper things have to deal with.

 

[Route 45]

If I were a cop - then no, it's not good enough.

But I ain't a cop. I don't do cop things. I don't deal with what coppers doing copper things have to deal with.

Eli at the mall wasn’t a cop.

 

[1nderbeard]

Statistically though, you're much less likely to need more than 5 rounds. Accuracy is the biggest flaw with the idea of carrying a revolver.

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[hooky]

Statistically though, you're much less likely to need more than 5 rounds. Accuracy is the biggest flaw with the idea of carrying a revolver.

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I think the cop was obligated to pull the trigger once for each time the guy filming said "Shoot his @$$". Must have been his supervisor or something.

 

[patience0830]

Yet you take every opportunity to shove it in everyone’s face how dumb it is to carry a “low capacity handgun”. Seems to me
Like you’ve got an axe to grind and I have no idea what good it does anyone.

Don't think trying to encourage good decisions should engender such animosity. He IS less than tactful about it, but if you take it in the proper spirit you can relax, Frances.

 

[Usmccookie]

To start, Idgaf what you carry, unless you edc a rock in aiwb...

How much of carrying a guns is pure enjoyment of that gun?

What ratio of the decision is objective vs, subjective reasons.

Seems like 1911 guys will be more likely to carry a 1911.

Wheel gun guys will carry snubbys

High speed tactical guys will carry the hottest gun on the market.

The old timer guns guys will often carry something like the p365 series or whatever.

But I have not seen many of the glock or whatever fan boys carry a 1911 or revolver...

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Doesn’t fix the fact that the human heart destroyed by gunfire does not prevent the bad guy from pressing his attack for another 10 to 15 seconds.

So what's the difference between hitting the heart with a j-frame or a Glock 17? Hitting it more times?

In your video, what changes in the outcome if he puts 12 more round in his chest in the same time frame?
7 less?

Did the deputy in the video just suck? Was that the problem?

Firing one handed, likely unsighted, while walking backwards vs someone slowly advancing on him with some sort of stick? I mean, it's certainly not ideal. Would you train someone to react that way? While I understand it's not an option for everyone, do you think that someone with a modicum of physical ability and hand to hand training could have jumped on sport coat guy early on and not needed to go to gun? Do you think that most departments today would say since he's not actively harming anyone, sit off, wait for backup, then approach? Maybe he's somewhere that he's the entire shift, I don't know, but do you think his response was the best and that Glock vs Revolver was what made the difference in outcome? If so, how?

Do you think someone who was not a uniformed police officer would have been able to just avoid the conflict to begin with? That the mental state of someone who's pretty obviously committing suicide by cop may react differently to a uniform with a gun pointed at them then someone simply fleeing the area?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Every defensive situation is different. Didn't BBI have some statistics at one point that said that the average encounter was like 3 shots to end or something like that?

They are still posted here and haven't changed radically despite a lot more cases being added. The average isn't even 3, but that only includes random crimes (no targeted attacks like domestics and drug dealer taking out a rival). To this day I've got more cases of people dead from accidentally shooting themselves in the groin then I do of people dead with an empty j-frame in their hand.

If you can carry a bigger gun you shoot better and that has more capacity, great, do it. If you can't, you're way better off with an LCR or j-frame than you are hopes and dreams. The whole revolvers suck/if you aren't carrying X number of rounds is as interesting as Glock vs 1911, a tired pseudo-debate to trot out and rehash every so often when the correct answer is use good tactics, carry a caliber capable of breaking adult bone, carry a gun that you can make go bang every time you want it to and 0% of the time you don't want it to, and don't suck. That'll get you through any but the most extreme of extreme outliers and you'll get to die a cranky old man from high cholesterol or some **** one day.

 

[wtburnette]

They are still posted here and haven't changed radically despite a lot more cases being added. The average isn't even 3, but that only includes random crimes (no targeted attacks like domestics and drug dealer taking out a rival). To this day I've got more cases of people dead from accidentally shooting themselves in the groin then I do of people dead with an empty j-frame in their hand.

If you can carry a bigger gun you shoot better and that has more capacity, great, do it. If you can't, you're way better off with an LCR or j-frame than you are hopes and dreams. The whole revolvers suck/if you aren't carrying X number of rounds is as interesting as Glock vs 1911, a tired pseudo-debate to trot out and rehash every so often when the correct answer is use good tactics, carry a caliber capable of breaking adult bone, carry a gun that you can make go bang every time you want it to and 0% of the time you don't want it to, and don't suck. That'll get you through any but the most extreme of extreme outliers and you'll get to die a cranky old man from high cholesterol or some **** one day.

I thought I was remembering something along those lines. Thank you for providing your insight.

 

[eldirector]

Looks to me like the first couple of rounds (that actually hit) did the deed. Momentum carried him into the last several.

Also reenforces that a large number of incidents are at "contact" range. Even that close, shot placement is damn hard. And, at that range, it is really almost too late. Had that stick been a metal bar, that officer would have been down.

Note to self: LE may be obligated to take a hit or two before lethal force, but **** if I am.

 

[Keith_Indy]

So, did this deputy have FMJ or hollow points...

Also guessing said deputy doesn't practice the Mozambique drill...

A 22LR to the eye socket could have ended it, but I wouldn't say 1 .22LR is enough...

YMMV

 

[Lpherr]

After a couple shots to the chest that didn't stop the threat, at that range, wouldn't a third shot to the head have ended the threat?

I forgot, a head shot is murder and execution.

 

[Combat Engineer]

After a couple shots to the chest that didn't stop the threat, at that range, wouldn't a third shot to the head have ended the threat?

I forgot, a head shot is murder and execution.

Headshots are viable for self defense.Some baddies have body armor too.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

After a couple shots to the chest that didn't stop the threat, at that range, wouldn't a third shot to the head have ended the threat?

I forgot, a head shot is murder and execution.

Maybe, but under stress you'll find few people shoot at an assessment pace. My personal opinion is this is human nature* combined with reinforcement from games and social media where split times are uber important. Running the gun like a sewing machine is more common than bang bang assess bang again if needed. Modern "shoot them to the ground" training is well intentioned but also contributes to this.

If you go through historical LE data you'll find near universal agreement that total shots fired goes up when departments transition to semi-autos from revolvers. You'll see some theories that it's because the old guys could shoot better (they couldn't) or revolvers are inherently more accurate (they aren't) or some "stopping power" BS. I think the most reasonable answer by far is that the total *time* spent shooting hasn't changed much but the ability to fire more rounds in that same time changed. Shorter and lighter triggers combined with rabbit heart rates = super quick mag dumps with no time to work through the OODA loop again and see if what you are doing is working.


*there's a strong theory that survival instincts hamper your ability to change tactics because primitive parts of your brain think "this hasn't gotten us killed yet, so it's working" vs "we aren't winning fast enough, we need to adapt tactics". We are inherently more concerned with risk than we are reward due to the stakes as our lizard brain defines them.

 

[Mij]

Carried a 1911 for a year, never used it in a bad situation, carried a revolver for over 40 years last 20 a 5 shot smith, never felt under gunned. Sounds to me like someone is attempting to justify there expenditure on the latest n greatest wonder nine. JMO

 

[Route 45]

Carried a 1911 for a year, never used it in a bad situation, carried a revolver for over 40 years last 20 a 5 shot smith, never felt under gunned. Sounds to me like someone is attempting to justify there expenditure on the latest n greatest wonder nine. JMO

“Never needed it” and “Never felt like I needed it” are never relevant criteria when selecting a defensive weapon for what might happen in the future. Sounds like you would have been just as well off with a rabbit’s foot or four leaf clover. Why do you carry a gun at all?

No need to justify buying what I feel is a superior weapon, especially to randos on the internet. They certainly won’t be with me if I ever have to use it.

 

[cedartop]

So what's the difference between hitting the heart with a j-frame or a Glock 17? Hitting it more times?

Is this a trick? The answer is in your question, HITTING.