Radio personality shot at in his vehicle in Indianapolis, 'lucky to be alive'

[BehindBlueI's]

Not knowing the details but I would possibly think there is more to the story with regards to the motive

I don't think there is any story, publicly, on motive yet. I don't know anything about the case, so I'm calling "lover's triangle" in the betting pool.

 

[indyblue]

Not knowing the details but I would possibly think there is more to the story with regards to the motive

Maybe some of his jokes peeved off the wrong person. Everyone's a snowflake or oppressed or offended by everything nowadays.

i.e Look what happened to Dave Chappelle.

 

[Noble Sniper]

I bet it was Colin Caperdick!!! I swear to God I do!!!

 

[Cameramonkey]

Don’t guess I’ve ever heard of this guy. What is it he’s being targeted for, I wonder?

He is mildly entertaining.

 

[JCSR]

I feel bad I didn't go to his pool party now.

 

[Gunmetalgray]

It was Randy...

 

[bwframe]

... You think you could get through the OODA loop, draw, and fire before the other team was in flight?

Because, honestly, it's pretty unlikely unless you see "the known person" coming. So hardware becomes irrelevant....

I've never been in that situation, but that's why we train, right? To be aware of suroundings, right?

Hardware might well have been relevant, if the attacker had accidently connected with one of the early shots, anchoring the driver. Then it's a gunfight, right?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

He's a local comedian that tours with Bob & Tom and has been a side-bit on their show for decades. Minor celebrity, I suppose, but if that has anything to do with why he's targeted or not is another story.

I saw in the article something about being a part of their show. (I didn’t know Bob and Tom were still a thing).

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I saw in the article something about being a part of their show. (I didn’t know Bob and Tom were still a thing).

It's still a thing, but Bob retired years ago and it's well passed it's prime. It's so commercial heavy I can't listen to it any longer. Broadcast radio sucks these days anyway as far as content to commercials, but even during the show there is a ton of paid advertising done live by the personalities and skits that are just little commercials. Kristi pretends to get hurt so they can recommend a employment injury lawyer sort of thing.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I've never been in that situation, but that's why we train, right? To be aware of suroundings, right?

Hardware might well have been relevant, if the attacker had accidently connected with one of the early shots, anchoring the driver. Then it's a gunfight, right?

In what scenario are you "anchored" to the point you can't drive but can access a pistol and get it up (giggity) in time to engage a drive-by shooter who mag dumps and moves on?

I don't know if he was stopped or moving, most of these targeted hits are while moving, but walk me through what you do when a car swings out to pass you at night. Do you draw and have the gun in hand? Once the car pulls even and starts shooting do you think drawing and firing is the best plan? Once the car is ahead of you and fleeing, what do you do? How are you training for this?

Targeted assassinations do occur while stopped, criminal on criminal often with an AR or AK pistol and one or more shooters (aka, you're screwed, professional hits like this generally result in a *lot* of gunshot wounds really quickly) but most of us aren't worried about rival drug dealers and gang bangers putting $40k on our heads. Most of us aren't really subject to random ambush like uniformed cops. Road rage incidents are usually build-up events, not active shooters out of the gate. But let's say you are stopped, pinned in, and you see it coming. Are you training to shoot from a seated position seat-belted in? I would suggest that very very few are. I used to wear an ankle holster specifically for easier access while seat-belted in and, surprise, it was a revolver for quite awhile and then a shield. If I was aware enough of my surroundings to see it coming, though, leaving remains the best option. Access while seated was more of a road rage guy gets out and starts approaching the car while you're boxed in but isn't an active shooter at this point.

So on Donnie's exact scenario as it occurred, what's the difference between:
Unarmed
J-frame
G17
AR15
M249 SAW

Nothing. Nothing changes. Which is why we should not be fetishizing hardware and expecting the gun to be a talisman that keeps us safe. It's why we should not be thinking every problem is a gun problem because you have a gun.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

It's still a thing, but Bob retired years ago and it's well passed it's prime. It's so commercial heavy I can't listen to it any longer. Broadcast radio sucks these days anyway as far as content to commercials, but even during the show there is a ton of paid advertising done live by the personalities and skits that are just little commercials. Kristi pretends to get hurt so they can recommend a employment injury lawyer sort of thing.

The last time I tried listening (about 15-20 years ago) that was pretty much my take. That (the commercials) and them replaying their old skits rather than new ones--I've never been back.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

The last time I tried listening (about 15-20 years ago) that was pretty much my take. That (the commercials) and them replaying their old skits rather than new ones--I've never been back.

Playing the old ones is a blessing, trust me.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I could never get past the incessant cackling laughter. Made even the funniest bits annoying to listen to.

And half the time what we were hearing wasn’t nearly that funny. It felt like we were missing most of the bit due to visuals or they were just (over)easily amused.

 

[littletommy]

Last time I listened, I thought I had accidentally tuned into espn radio, all they talked about was nfl crap that I don’t care one bit about. Haven’t listened for years.

 

[radar8756]

Ratings Down ?
Want Attention ?

Jessie ???

 

[Creedmoor]

Maybe some of his jokes peeved off the wrong person. Everyone's a snowflake or oppressed or offended by everything nowadays.

i.e Look what happened to Dave Chappelle.

He was in a comedy show at Alexandria's Eagles a few years back. His best joke was,
While driving here tonight I was coming through Elwood and I passed to young girls pushing baby carriages. A bumper sticker on the back of one said,
My Mom is a Honor Roll Student at Elwood HS

 

[G192127]

Somebody probably got mad at one of his jokes and decided to screw with him.

 

[MCgrease08]

A lot of talk about getting a gun in the fight and firing back, but so far no mention of medical.

Are you prepared to treat yourself and address critical bleeding if you find yourself under fire in a car and take a round or five in the meaty bits?

How many here are carrying trauma IFAKs?

I have an ankle kit med kit, but admittedly, I don't wear it everyday.

 

[bwframe]

In what scenario are you "anchored" to the point you can't drive but can access a pistol and get it up...
...Are you training to shoot from a seated position seat-belted in? I would suggest that very very few are...

...Which is why we should not be fetishizing hardware and expecting the gun to be a talisman that keeps us safe. It's why we should not be thinking every problem is a gun problem because you have a gun.

I'm not about to argue with your expertise sir. That said, I'm suggesting to be prepared for what you can.

Whether it was a drive by shooting, an assasination attempt or whatever, there were still 9 shots in the car. While self defense in this case may not be about hardware, it could have turned that way. Such there is the question of whether your five shooter is enough against an attacker that can spray bullets with abandon? The bullet hole count alone should give one pause?

I have trained in vehicle FOF scenarios more than once, right here in Indiana. Drawing with seat belt on IS very important as is knowing when to unbuckle in the driver's seat, to not be trapped in the cage. Learning when you can and cannot shoot are important lessons.

Another thought is when and if you should use the 2000 pound weapon that you are sitting in for your self defense?

Hopefully, we can all learn from this?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Somebody probably got mad at one of his jokes and decided to screw with him.

Maybe they got tired of the lack of jokes.

I'm not about to argue with your expertise sir. That said, I'm suggesting to be prepared for what you can.

I agree. I just don't think focusing on what sort of pistol you're carrying is going to be that much of a differentiator. This is *exactly* what I'm talking about with hardware fetishizing, the notion that simply selecting a different gun now makes you more prepared. There are certainly scenarios where it may matter, this one is exceptionally unlikely to be one of them. Which brings me back to I wouldn't carry a 5 shot if being personally targeted, any more than I would carry one as a primary duty gun, but not because of this. Is having a different pistol *really* being more prepared for this? Can you drive and shoot? Should you? Is being prepared much more about soft skills at this point, premade decisions, rapid execution? Is "more gun" relevant to the tactics that maximize your chance of survival?

Another thought is when and if you should use the 2000 pound weapon that you are sitting in for your self defense?

Very very context dependent. If I'm in my Camaro and my attacker is in a dually...no. If I'm in my Power Wagon and my attacker is in a Smart Car, maybe. What speeds are we at? How confident am I that I can crash him without crashing me? What's the outcome if I tie us together or crash us both? Does that put me in a better position or worse position? Are we parallel or is he blocking me where I can t-bone and shove? How much time do I have to expose myself to do that?

Attempting to disengage or simply using the car for cover (cars *are* remarkably bullet resistant these days thanks to crash standards and all the motors and gizmos in the doors, but it's very dependent on what's hit and at what angle) is probably the better option in most cases.