Drug test to attend homecoming dance?

[KLB]

Sadly your scenario isn’t used by every person that smokes pot. Now if you could guarantee every druggie would use this scenario then you may have a point.

Why? Other results in other circumstances do not change the results of that example.

 

[KLB]

If your buddy grew it, probably nobody. Unless word gets out and he gets robbed and/or murdered. If he bought it, from where? A *lot* of murders in urban areas are over weed. Well trodden ground that if it wasn't a black market it would likely not result in such violence, at least in the US, but that's the state of how it actually is currently.

Plus it was probably in some dude's ass at some point.

That specific crime was still victimless. If arrested, he wouldn't be charged with whatever crime(s) committed by someone else.

And

 

[Shadow01]

Why? Other results in other circumstances do not change the results of that example.

Does every possible drug inducing scenario result in no victim? If not then you can’t claim it as a victimless crime.

 

[hoosierdaddy1976]

Does every possible drug inducing scenario result in no victim? If not then you can’t claim it as a victimless crime.

Does every possible use of a gun result in no crime? If not then you can't claim it as a legal activity.

 

[pmbiker]

I love how people who imbibe in marijuana are considered "druggies".

Anybody remember their first/only cigarette? Gas stations and grocery stores cater to druggies every day.

 

[KLB]

Does every possible drug inducing scenario result in no victim? If not then you can’t claim it as a victimless crime.

Let me make it easy. Find anything that can be construed as a victim in the law that would be broken for possession.

IC 35-48-4-11 Possession of marijuana, hash oil, hashish, or salvia
Sec. 11. (a) A person who:

(1) knowingly or intentionally possesses (pure or adulterated) marijuana, hash oil, hashish, or salvia;

(2) knowingly or intentionally grows or cultivates marijuana; or

(3) knowing that marijuana is growing on the person's premises, fails to destroy the marijuana plants;

commits possession of marijuana, hash oil, hashish, or salvia, a Class B misdemeanor, except as provided in subsections (b) through (c).

(b) The offense described in subsection (a) is a Class A misdemeanor if the person has a prior conviction for a drug offense.

(c) The offense described in subsection (a) is a Level 6 felony if:

(1) the person has a prior conviction for a drug offense; and

(2) the person possesses:

(A) at least thirty (30) grams of marijuana; or

(B) at least five (5) grams of hash oil, hashish, or salvia.

(d) It is a defense to a prosecution under subsection (a)(1) based on the possession of a substance containing cannabidiol that:

(1) the person is a patient or caregiver registered under IC 16-42-28.6 for the use of a substance containing cannabidiol;

(2) the person reasonably believed that the substance possessed by the person was a substance containing cannabidiol; and

(3) the substance containing cannabidiol is packaged in a container labeled with the origin, volume, and concentration by weight of total THC, including its precursors and derivatives, and cannabidiol.

(e) It is a defense to a prosecution under this section based on the possession of a substance containing cannabidiol that:

(1) the substance containing cannabidiol has been approved by the federal Food and Drug Administration or the federal Drug Enforcement Agency as a prescription drug; and

(2) the substance was prescribed and dispensed in accordance with the federal approval described in subdivision (1).

 

[cg21]

I'll take the other side of this...

Recreational drug use among our entire population is a HUGE problem. Add in fentanyl and it's more than just a problem.

I'm only guessing the school officials would love to stay out of this, however there is no choice these days.


.

I mean …… the 60’s and 70’s happened you think recreational drug use is more rampant now….? I wasn’t around for it but what I hear / read I would say per capita we haven’t increased much. Coverage and exposure is greater due to unfiltered 24/7 news and social media.

 

[pmbiker]

Sounds like you just narrated a cultural shift among Christians. Culture shifts are generally not swift, but keep in mind nobody is being absolutist here. Yes *some people* get high, but not *all people* get high. What's the cultural differences there?

Problem is, that cultural shift required mass murder/conversion of all the old practitioners and destruction/confiscation of *most* of the old texts that discuss the old ways. Gotta get control of the heathens.

 

[bwframe]

Focus on Fentanyl: Drug becomes leading cause of death for Americans 18-45

Drug overdoses have claimed the lives of over 100,000 people in the United States - Fentanyl was reportedly the cause of two-thirds of them. According to the CDC, Fentanyl is now the number one cause of death for Americans ages 18 to 45. Surpassing suicide, Covid-19, and car accident-related...

krcrtv.com

 

[OurDee]

Jeez, if they'd have done that at our school (class of '78), they would have cut the enrollment by over half, and probably wouldn't have had any sports teams whatsoever.

Also class of 78 here. I would guess it to have been higher at my rural school.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

That specific crime was still victimless. If arrested, he wouldn't be charged with whatever crime(s) committed by someone else.

And

What he is charged with isn't the topic. If victims are created is. The drug trade creates victims.

Who is the victim of DUI? Most don't crash. Yet I hear so little about it being victimless.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Focus on Fentanyl: Drug becomes leading cause of death for Americans 18-45

Drug overdoses have claimed the lives of over 100,000 people in the United States - Fentanyl was reportedly the cause of two-thirds of them. According to the CDC, Fentanyl is now the number one cause of death for Americans ages 18 to 45. Surpassing suicide, Covid-19, and car accident-related...

krcrtv.com

That has been true for over a year i believe

 

[Shadow01]

Let me make it easy. Find anything that can be construed as a victim in the law that would be broken for possession.

IC 35-48-4-11 Possession of marijuana, hash oil, hashish, or salvia
Sec. 11. (a) A person who:

(1) knowingly or intentionally possesses (pure or adulterated) marijuana, hash oil, hashish, or salvia;

(2) knowingly or intentionally grows or cultivates marijuana; or

(3) knowing that marijuana is growing on the person's premises, fails to destroy the marijuana plants;

commits possession of marijuana, hash oil, hashish, or salvia, a Class B misdemeanor, except as provided in subsections (b) through (c).

(b) The offense described in subsection (a) is a Class A misdemeanor if the person has a prior conviction for a drug offense.

(c) The offense described in subsection (a) is a Level 6 felony if:

(1) the person has a prior conviction for a drug offense; and

(2) the person possesses:

(A) at least thirty (30) grams of marijuana; or

(B) at least five (5) grams of hash oil, hashish, or salvia.

(d) It is a defense to a prosecution under subsection (a)(1) based on the possession of a substance containing cannabidiol that:

(1) the person is a patient or caregiver registered under IC 16-42-28.6 for the use of a substance containing cannabidiol;

(2) the person reasonably believed that the substance possessed by the person was a substance containing cannabidiol; and

(3) the substance containing cannabidiol is packaged in a container labeled with the origin, volume, and concentration by weight of total THC, including its precursors and derivatives, and cannabidiol.

(e) It is a defense to a prosecution under this section based on the possession of a substance containing cannabidiol that:

(1) the substance containing cannabidiol has been approved by the federal Food and Drug Administration or the federal Drug Enforcement Agency as a prescription drug; and

(2) the substance was prescribed and dispensed in accordance with the federal approval described in subdivision (1).

That’s not what is being discussed. We are talking buying and using And the claim that it’s a victimless crime. My take is there is at least a single scenario out there where a druggie obtains pot and as a result there is a victim due to the crime. Can you assure me by putting your life on the table that there will never be a victim due to someones use of pot?

 

[Shadow01]

Does every possible use of a gun result in no crime? If not then you can't claim it as a legal activity.

It may not be legal, but it is constitutionally guaranteed…

 

[Cameramonkey]

That’s not what is being discussed. We are talking buying and using And the claim that it’s a victimless crime. My take is there is at least a single scenario out there where a druggie obtains pot and as a result there is a victim due to the crime. Can you assure me by putting your life on the table that there will never be a victim due to someones use of pot?

can you assure me by putting your life on the table that there will never be a victim due to someone's use or possession of a gun?

 

[xwing]

Also class of 78 here. I would guess it to have been higher at my rural school.

I don't know what schools you went to... No-one I associated with in high school did drugs of any kind. And even in college, only a few people I knew occasionally smoked weed. Most did no drugs. (Not saying no-one in my high school did drugs, just that it wasn't anyone I knew, so likely a smaller percentage.) I really doubt there is any mainstream school were 50% or more of the students do drugs.

 

[HoughMade]

Focus on Fentanyl: Drug becomes leading cause of death for Americans 18-45

Drug overdoses have claimed the lives of over 100,000 people in the United States - Fentanyl was reportedly the cause of two-thirds of them. According to the CDC, Fentanyl is now the number one cause of death for Americans ages 18 to 45. Surpassing suicide, Covid-19, and car accident-related...

krcrtv.com

I've been led to believe that vaccines are more dangerous...

 

[OurDee]

I don't know what schools you went to... No-one I associated with in high school did drugs of any kind. And even in college, only a few people I knew occasionally smoked weed. Most did no drugs. (Not saying no-one in my high school did drugs, just that it wasn't anyone I knew, so likely a smaller percentage.) I really doubt there is any mainstream school were 50% or more of the students do drugs.

I was an odd duck, but I didn't consume drugs in school. Well over 50% of the people I knew, did. Upon further consideration, did that mean over 50% of the school consumed drugs? I would hazzard a guess that including kindergarteners, no. Of the class of "78"? I would say most likely over 50% had tried weed by graduation. I remember the parties, even a car with a full trunk.

 

[pmbiker]

Class of 92 here. I was a high level athlete so no drugs for me. By that time the "war on drugs" was in full swing so it was socially not as acceptable.

I smoked my first joint on a college/athletic recruiting trip.... with the sports team I eventually joined.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Class of 92 here. I was a high level athlete so no drugs for me. By that time the "war on drugs" was in full swing so it was socially not as acceptable.

I smoked my first joint on a college/athletic recruiting trip.... with the sports team I eventually joined.

We're roughly the same age, then, class of '96. I knew a few guys who smoked in my school, but not a lot. I knew a *lot* of adults who smoked because I worked construction on the weekends and summers for a guy who both ran a construction company and sold pot. You could take your wages in any ratio of cash to weed you wanted. I graphically recall one of the climbers furiously calculating how much cash he needed for rent, groceries, etc. then getting the rest in weed.

I never smoked weed largely due to it seemed like an expensive habit, and the last thing I needed was another expensive habit. I also avoided cigarettes for the same reason. I had a distaste for the smell of weed, as well, which persists to this day. I think the War on Drugs tilted my mind against it somewhat, but economics were carrying most of that water. Then when I knew I was going to the Army, that killed any remote desire I may have developed.

I saw very early on what hard drugs did to people and how their lives degraded. I never had any remote desire to get involved with that.