*Rumor* Springfield "Prodigy" 2011 Pistol

[cedartop]

I'm liking it so far, the slide etc. is really smooth as others have said, slide/frame/barrel fit is nice. Grip texture feels just about right but not as rough as say the M&Ps. I'm not sure why these are so much heavier than Staccato's though, not sure where the extra weight is, don't have a Staccato to compare.

Somebody mentioned why today, but I can't remember where I saw it.

 

[DadSmith]

 

[Dean C.]

I'm liking it so far, the slide etc. is really smooth as others have said, slide/frame/barrel fit is nice. Grip texture feels just about right but not as rough as say the M&Ps. I'm not sure why these are so much heavier than Staccato's though, not sure where the extra weight is, don't have a Staccato to compare.

Springfield's Website lists the 4.25 at 32.5 OZ with the Staccato P being 33 oz they are almost identical.

On my scale my Staccato P weights 2 pounds 2.6 oz unloaded and 2 pounds 13.9 oz loaded 17+1

 

[drillsgt]

Thanks, I looked it up after I posted that and got different numbers that showed Staccato as lighter but I was skeptical there was really a difference. Perhaps the numbers I have been reading might be people comparing apples to oranges with say the 5 inch Prodigy to a P or something like that.

 

[Patched]

I believe that the Prodigy has a steel receiver (frame) while the Staccato P can be had with either an aluminum receiver or a steel receiver. Steel "P" weighs 33 oz and Al weighs 28 oz per Staccato website.

 

[drillsgt]

I believe that the Prodigy has a steel receiver (frame) while the Staccato P can be had with either an aluminum receiver or a steel receiver. Steel "P" weighs 33 oz and Al weighs 28 oz per Staccato website.

Correct

 

[Gabriel]

I'm not a 1911 guy, but I find this one interesting enough to actually buy.

 

[wcd]

I'm not a 1911 guy, but I find this one interesting enough to actually buy.

There is hope for you then lol

 

[Ed steinberry]

SA not the first major manufacturer to make a 2011 nor the last. I grabbed one of the Remington R1 Tactical 2011s a few years back. It has run great for me and, even after having the slide milled and adding an RMR, I have less than $1600 in the gun.

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I have been looking for one of these for years. I had one offered to me not knowing what it really was at the time (basically a para ordinance). One day I’ll have one lol.

 

[Ed steinberry]

Looks to me like Springfield Armory in typical neve had an original idea ever fashion has decided to rip off the Staccato P for about $1000 less of the MSRP's that have been leaked are correct. No word on what magazines it will take however.

If Springfield ****s the bed with this I am going to be mad, I have been seriously enjoying the come back of the 2011 thanks to Staccato (since all the guns work now) hopefully Springfield can make a reliable gun. Plus now people complaining about how expensive a Staccato is can just get one of these and hope it's just as good.

They could not even come up with original slide serrations

Lol it’s definitely a rip off, but it’s still nice to see big names coming out with this platform now.

 

[cedartop]

 

[drillsgt]

I shot my 4.25 again today with the tweaks I did the other day and it's running fine. I'm going to up the recoil spring a bit and try it out with some hotter ammo.

 

[Dean C.]

And that is if you can do all the gunsmith work yourself. If you have a gunsmith do it your cost savings is essentially $0 and you spent Staccato money to have a dressed up Springfield. I think it's a cool range toy , but 2011's are just not cheap and when they are built "cheaply" they have issues

 

[cedartop]

And that is if you can do all the gunsmith work yourself. If you have a gunsmith do it your cost savings is essentially $0 and you spent Staccato money to have a dressed up Springfield. I think it's a cool range toy , but 2011's are just not cheap and when they are built "cheaply" they have issues

True, however. For the target audience of this pistol all that work may not be necessary. He did enough work for him to be happy with the gun.

 

[Dean C.]

True, however. For the target audience of this pistol all that work may not be necessary. He did enough work for him to be happy with the gun.

That is also a very fair point , but from what I have seen on his YouTube page Hilton and myself have very similar tastes in 1911 / 2011's. It seems that is Springfield just ups the recoil spring weight from the factory most issues will be eliminated. Hopefully SA can also clean up their trigger QC , I know I would be seriously annoyed if my new $1,500 pistol had a 6~ pound trigger (any gun and especially a 1911).

For the price point I expect TRP levels of fit and finish , especially considering this is probably a cheaper gun to manufactur overall than a TRP at that too (tool time for that 20 LPI is not cheap , plastic grip modules are).

I also should not really say much as one of my favorite guns is a worked over Operator.

 

[drillsgt]

And that is if you can do all the gunsmith work yourself. If you have a gunsmith do it your cost savings is essentially $0 and you spent Staccato money to have a dressed up Springfield. I think it's a cool range toy , but 2011's are just not cheap and when they are built "cheaply" they have issues

Let's not get all high and mighty about Staccato's lol. It was just a few short years ago nobody would really consider one as a defensive or carry gun. It was only after they realized they were missing out on 95% of the gun market and rebranded as a defense company vs. competition company with camo wearing thigh holster using people in ads that many even gave them a second look. They always had a reputation for good competition guns but reliability was always a big issue for them. They knew if they were going to be taken seriously they'd have to do something about that but you don't have to look far on the internet to still find many issues with Staccato's. Their parts are basically a step above MIM so they can say they don't use MIM but were never all that great. Nobody that built 1911's used STI packaged parts more than once, there's a reason they don't sell them anymore. Don't get me wrong though I like them and still have a C2 on my want list. I think you do get a nicer gun for that 1K difference, it'd be silly if you didn't.

 

[drillsgt]

True, however. For the target audience of this pistol all that work may not be necessary. He did enough work for him to be happy with the gun.

Yes, in reality all he really had to do was change the recoil spring and he added some tension and polished out his extractor which is something anybody can do. I just adjusted the sear spring on mine and have a great 4lb trigger now. Most factory 1911's come with either too much or too little extractor tension so it's something you always want to check anyway.

 

[cedartop]

Let's not get all high and mighty about Staccato's lol. It was just a few short years ago nobody would really consider one as a defensive or carry gun. It was only after they realized they were missing out on 95% of the gun market and rebranded as a defense company vs. competition company with camo wearing thigh holster using people in ads that many even gave them a second look. They always had a reputation for good competition guns but reliability was always a big issue for them. They knew if they were going to be taken seriously they'd have to do something about that but you don't have to look far on the internet to still find many issues with Staccato's. Their parts are basically a step above MIM so they can say they don't use MIM but were never all that great. Nobody that built 1911's used STI packaged parts more than once, there's a reason they don't sell them anymore. Don't get me wrong though I like them and still have a C2 on my want list. I think you do get a nicer gun for that 1K difference, it'd be silly if you didn't.

You are not wrong. I love my C2 and it is doing well for me, but they are mid level for a 2011. I am not willing to spring for high end.

 

[Dean C.]

^^^

Agreed with all the above , I was early on the bandwagon with a carry 2011 really (my P is an STI gun). So I am a tad bit biased. Though in terms of what you get for the price Staccato is at the edge of return on investment IMHO. Nighthawk , Chambers and Atlas guns are epic but honestly I cannot convince myself to spend that much cash on a gun for some reason.

 

[drillsgt]

^^^

Agreed with all the above , I was early on the bandwagon with a carry 2011 really (my P is an STI gun). So I am a tad bit biased. Though in terms of what you get for the price Staccato is at the edge of return on investment IMHO. Nighthawk , Chambers and Atlas guns are epic but honestly I cannot convince myself to spend that much cash on a gun for some reason.

I agree with you there and for most people without unlimited bank accounts Staccato's should be just fine.