Last of the V8 Inteceptors

[Ingomike]

I am interested to see the outcome of this….. rolling blackouts to charge all this.

I am far beyond interested, it is a train wreck that is coming and the current administration is accelerating it…

 

[HoughMade]

While I will certainly miss the V8s, they aren't going full electric (there will be an electric muscle car of some variety), Chrysler (Stellantis) recently announced a line of twin turbo inline 6s.

Stellantis Goes Six in a Row with a Twin-Turbo Inline-Six Engine

The 3.0-liter inline-6, called Hurricane, is set to debut this year and will offer two flavors of varying power for Jeep, Dodge, Ram, and other brands.

www.caranddriver.com

500+HP Hurricane I-6 Engine Coming to Jeep, Ram, Dodge

All-new 3.0-liter twin-turbo Hurricane will power trucks and SUVs for decades to come.

www.motortrend.com

The "standard" Hurricane 3.0L is 400 hp and 450 ft/lbs. The HO is 500 hp and 475 ft lbs.

I imagine that those are just the beginning.

I get why they are going to turbo inline 6s (not that I like it), emissions and fuel efficiency. But if there's one thing we have learned about powerful turbo engines its that you have to to NOT USE all of that power in order to get decent mileage. Only with very light throttle do you not use MORE fuel. So, you get better fuel efficiency ratings, but in practice, what is the typical mileage?

BTW- I set a new personal record for average mileage on my commute this morning. It's about 50-50 highway and non-highway, 35 miles each way. I have the 395hp 5.7L Hemi and I bet few drivers of the Hurricane will see this average:

 

[snapping turtle]

Dodge has been talking about this for a while now and in the Mopar community it is not going over very well at all. Those cars are great sellers for Dodge, I am predicting a huge sales drop.

Good time for a planned sales drop.
Nobod

 

[Ingomike]

Well the Torino was the Ford line and the Montego was the Mercury version

Oh btw my uncles car was a 3 pedal 4spd. The 429 SCJ drag pack car were known to make @ 430hp from the factory

Helped a buddy restore a barn find 1970 Torino in 81. Had that cool shaker hood scoop and 429 SCJ and close ratio 4 speed. fun car…

 

[snorko]

Thread title is Mad Max reference is it not?

 

[churchmouse]

Well the Torino was the Ford line and the Montego was the Mercury version

Oh btw my uncles car was a 3 pedal 4spd. The 429 SCJ drag pack car were known to make @ 430hp from the factory

There is some solid info. Had no idea the Torino package was in both houses.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

My uncle (dads brother) had a 1970 Torino with the 429SCJ Drag pack. It was Red/black with black interior.
Statute of limitations has long passed. The story goes like this.. Dad's Mustang was tore down after popping a head gasket the weekend before. My uncle loaned dad the Torino for the evening because he was going to be out rolling with a friend that day. Anyway, dad's out cruising the streets looking for a race. He finally crosses paths with a guy in a split window Corvette out on Indy's far eastside. 2 lane road and they get side by side at a slow roll and the race is on. Corvette jumped out to take the lead but dad soon drove around him. After dad rolls out of the gas the other guy must have been butt hurt pretty bad because he clips the quarter panel and tried to spin dad. Well, dad wouldn't have any of that (back then in addition to his street activities he raced late model stock cars at IRP) so there was a little bit of rubbing because rubbin's racing lol. Finally dad had enough and clipped the Corvette sending it spinning into the yard in front of a church and he said he saw the lights through the dust as the Corvette ended up going back across the road and into a field as dad slipped away before any cops could get there. At the time my uncle still owed a fair bit for the car so neither one has ever admitted any specifics other than it was an awkward call to the insurance company. And the advice from my uncle be careful when loaning a car to your brother lol

Here's one for sale, for the low low price of $85k...

https://fordauthority.com/2021/07/1970-ford-torino-cobra-429-scj-drag-pack-for-sale/

There is some solid info. Had no idea the Torino package was in both houses.

See above.

 

[cg21]

Radio wins more pursuits than motors, especially in more populated areas.

You can make your own electric easier than your own gas.

Grid stability: https://news.duke-energy.com/releas...htning-electric-trucks-to-help-power-the-grid

Just saying, don't make the mistake of thinking technology stands still. There's money to be made on these problems and when there's money to be made, smart people find solutions. I'm not ready for an EV yet, but a decade from now? Who knows.

So even you being optimistic think we are a decade away yet it is being forced upon us now when we simply aren’t there yet. I do not think technology stands still but I do believe it can be rushed. AND not to mention there are consequences to some technology and it proves more harm than good. Cue asbestos plastic bags 3 wheelers etc etc. in their prime all of these things were pushed as the “end all”

 

[BehindBlueI's]

So even you being optimistic think we are a decade away yet it is being forced upon us now when we simply aren’t there yet. I do not think technology stands still but I do believe it can be rushed. AND not to mention there are consequences to some technology and it proves more harm than good. Cue asbestos plastic bags 3 wheelers etc etc. in their prime all of these things were pushed as the “end all”

There's plenty of EV threads and I don't care enough to argue with you. I'm buying a truck soon and there is absolutely no period in history where more options and more capability existed in the pickup truck market. I'm not feeling very forced about anything. Pony car wise, Mustang and Camaro are still V8 equipped and Mustang will be for the next generation as well, per Ford.

 

[HoughMade]

OK, the platform the Charger and Challenger are based upon hit the market 17 years ago. It should not surprise anyone that this platform will be going away after 18 years.

Stellantis Media - Last Call: Dodge Teases 2023 Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger Lineup, Including Seven New Models

The Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger, in current form, are coming to an end, and the Dodge brand is celebrating in true, over-the-top Dodge style. The Dodge 2023 lineup will pay homage with seven special models, the return of heritage colors, an expansion of SRT Jailbreak models, a...

media.stellantisnorthamerica.com

Next, nowhere do they say there will not be anymore Charger or Challenger or gas-powered muscle cars. In fact, the wording is very clever: "The Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger, in current form, are coming to an end..." "In current form"....yes- the 18 year-old-platform.

Certainly no car maker would be cynical enough to make a boatload of special editions and crank out a bunch of "Last Call" plaques to sell a boatload of cars whose tooling was paid off during the second Bush administration to people panicking about no more gas powered muscle cars. And certainly no conservative content creator would use this announcement as an opportunity to gin up a bunch of EV hate.

Further, if we read the other Chrysler press releases, we find out that they are claiming that half (50%) of their line in the U.S. will be EV by 2030. I'm no mathematician, but I think that means that they are planning for 1/2 their line to be IC powered beyond 2030. In any event, that's 8 years away and things have a tendency to change.

Dare Forward 2030: Stellantis’ Blueprint for Cutting-Edge Freedom of Mobility

Dare Forward 2030: Stellantis’ Blueprint for Cutting-Edge Freedom of Mobility

www.stellantis.com

Add to that the just-announced "Hurricane" engines and it sure seems like there's a good chance there will be next gen. muscle cars from Chrysler. V8? Maybe, maybe not....but I didn't see a Stellantis press release that announced an end to all V8 production, just the discontinuation of the current Challenger and Charger....after they have scared people into buying every single one they possibly can make. I imagine that they will be pushing the Hurricane for muscle cars to all but the highest horsepower junkies. But who's to say there will not be limited runs of Hellcats or Demons (on a different chassis) or even a Hurricane that makes more than 800hp?

 

[Leadeye]

Good old Ford v8 engines. The 428 was the top of the FE series block which had various iterations, 427, 390 and 352 good solid engines. The 429 was part of the 385 series block, think large 351 Cleveland, and performed in much the same way. The CJ and SCJ versions had various mods to valve springs, compression, main caps, and other bolt on features. Finally you get the BOSS 429 with it's huge heads and long finger like rocker arms, very exotic. The 385 series ends up as the 460, pushing trucks and luxury cars around.

 

[Leadeye]

I'll hang on to my 8mpg 68 muscle car as long as I can. It's my work of art.

 

[thunderchicken]

Helped a buddy restore a barn find 1970 Torino in 81. Had that cool shaker hood scoop and 429 SCJ and close ratio 4 speed. fun car…

That's cool, man. I asked dad about it this afternoon and he said my uncles was actually a Torino Cobra with the 429scj with drag pack and a few unspecified modifications. He said it was a blast to drive

 

[BugI02]

Thread title is Mad Max reference is it not?

Finally, a connoisseur among the Phillistines!

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Finally, a connoisseur among the Phillistines!

 

[thunderchicken]

Good old Ford v8 engines. The 428 was the top of the FE series block which had various iterations, 427, 390 and 352 good solid engines. The 429 was part of the 385 series block, think large 351 Cleveland, and performed in much the same way. The CJ and SCJ versions had various mods to valve springs, compression, main caps, and other bolt on features. Finally you get the BOSS 429 with it's huge heads and long finger like rocker arms, very exotic. The 385 series ends up as the 460, pushing trucks and luxury cars around.

While you are accurate, I would like to point out one oversight. The Boss 429, was equipped with Ford Hemi heads. Many people don't realize that Dodge wasn't the only manufacturer that utilized the hemispheric head concept

 

[Leadeye]

Either 71 or 72 Mustang Mach 1s had the 429 SCJ as an option as I rememeber. Used to stare and drool over a silver one on a dealers lot when I was a kid.

 

[Leadeye]

While you are accurate, I would like to point out one oversight. The Boss 429, was equipped with Ford Hemi heads. Many people don't realize that Dodge wasn't the only manufacturer that utilized the hemispheric head concept

Very true, that's why it needed those rocker arms that looked like long claws. The 351 Cleveland and 385 series engines were billed as "semi-hemi" head cars. I was expecting something more spherical the first time I pulled one off of a 385 and got a look at the combustion chamber. There was some cant to the valves and rockers which were mounted on independent studs.

 

[thunderchicken]

Very true, that's why it needed those rocker arms that looked like long claws. The 351 Cleveland and 385 series engines were billed as "semi-hemi" head cars. I was expecting something more spherical the first time I pulled one off of a 385 and got a look at the combustion chamber. There was some cant to the valves and rockers which were mounted on independent studs.

Yeah I've never cared for the "semi-hemi" designation. As for the 351c you mentioned there were 2v heads with an open chamber design (large semi dome chamber he ce the semi hemi designation), a 4v design which had significantly larger int/exh ports that made them great for higher RPM race applications but not as responsive on the street at lower RPM. The Aussie's produced the 351c much long than it was available here. As a result they produced closed wedge heads for the 351c in both 2v and 4v and they made some inserts for the 4v exhaust ports that would really wake them up for street use. They also made some more unique (for the time) intakes (Parker Funnelweb) and thier blocks had a higher nickel content that made them much more durable. Back here, one of the biggest improvements was cutting off the exhaust ports and making plates with raised ports. Bob Glidden did some incredible stuff with them and is alleged to have colluded some with Ernie Elliott in the '80s through Ford which may have helped Bill Elliott set the record at Talladega.
I could go on as I grew up around this platform.

 

[thunderchicken]

Didn't mean to thread jack.
Back on topic- with Dodge moving away from the Charger/Challenger platform and Ford discontinuing the Interceptor (Taurus version) I would venture to bet we will see more police dept's going to SUV's and even some pursuit rated trucks.
For emergency vehicle use, the whole EV concept and even the Hybrid stuff scares a lot of people from the added danger of 1 misplaced screw can result in death by electrocution or burning a car to the ground. Also I'm not sure many fire dept's are equipped to fight fires from cars with Lithium batteries as you can't just dump water on them. There are still obstacles beyond infrastructure.
IMHO, those who are pushing this stuff are likely heavily invested in companies that will benefit from the electric push