If you’ve chosen not to take a Covid vaccine for whatever reason(s), it may be wise to reassess occasionally.

[KellyinAvon]

I skipped quite a bit between yesterday 2030 and this AM. In other words I don't know if the thread left the road and ended up in the field or not.

I just ask that everyone keep it between the ditches.

There are times when it is appropriate to have an in-thread discussion of moderation styles. This isn't one of them.

 

[mbills2223]

I skipped quite a bit between yesterday 2030 and this AM. In other words I don't know if the thread left the road and ended up in the field or not.

I just ask that everyone keep it between the ditches.

There are times when it is appropriate to have an in-thread discussion of moderation styles. This isn't one of them.

I think we dropped a tire onto the shoulder a time or to, and maybe over corrected and crossed center a couple times, but I think we are on cruise control for the moment.

 

[qwerty]

The nice thing about seat belts is that they come off really easily. I can touch, feel and test a seatbelt myself and understand how it works. The vaccine is 100% foreign to me, I have no way of knowing what’s in it and it’s been surrounded by false information put out by our elected leaders and their appointees from day one. It doesn’t come out, wash off or disappear, once it’s in you there’s nothing you can do but buckle up for the ride, whatever that may end up being.

Anti-seatbelter! Off to the re-education camp for you.

 

[mbills2223]

The nice thing about seat belts is that they come off really easily. I can touch, feel and test a seatbelt myself and understand how it works. The vaccine is 100% foreign to me, I have no way of knowing what’s in it and it’s been surrounded by false information put out by our elected leaders and their appointees from day one. It doesn’t come out, wash off or disappear, once it’s in you there’s nothing you can do but buckle up for the ride, whatever that may end up being.

Another reason I feel like it's just a bad analogy.


Not in response to quoted text but in general:

Seat belts only reduce fatal injuries by approximately 43%, but nearly 100% of people exposed to a car accident are injured by their seat belt. Ban seatbelts?

 

[buckwacker]

Put it in escrow because we will never find out the answer.

I think we have the answer.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[jsharmon7]

I think we have the answer.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

3,000 people on a ship and only 10 cases? Not much of an outbreak, to be fair.

 

[Alpo]

3,000 people on a ship and only 10 cases? Not much of an outbreak, to be fair.

 

[JCSR]

 

[Alpo]

 

[nonobaddog]

I'm not saying with a certainty that it would, but I'm saying that's the only time it might. But to somewhat answer, you can transmit without infection, so theoretically if everyone were vaccinated the R would drop below 1 and the virus would burn out. I'm not saying that would absolutely happen, but that is how a vaccine that wasn't 100% effective could do it.

What is the mechanism for transmission without infection?

 

[mbills2223]

I think we have the answer.

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Did they all come from bubbles which were fully vaccinated? Also, as someone else said, it's 10 cases. If they left the ship out at sea, we might have our answer then.

What is the mechanism for transmission without infection?

Let's say I'm around someone with COVID, and either through airborne or surface transmission, I have viral load on or in my body. Hypothetically, let's say the vaccine I received does work in my case, and the virus can't penetrate my cells. Ten minutes later, I pull my mask down when I'm talking to somebody, and viral load somewhere in my airway is expelled and the person I'm speaking to inhales viral load. They are unfortunate enough that the viral load is able to penetrate their cells and start reproducing. They are infected, but I am not. The remaining viral load in my body will die without ever entering my cells, reproducing and causing disease.

 

[buckwacker]

3,000 people on a ship and only 10 cases? Not much of an outbreak, to be fair.

Extrapolate that to the US population and it's over a million cases. We've been told those numbers are an outbreak. We've only had 50 million cases since this began.

 

[mbills2223]

Extrapolate that to the US population and it's over a million cases. We've been told those numbers are an outbreak. We've only had 50 million cases since this began.

Fallacy, 3000 people on a cruise ship is not going to be proportionately representative of the US populations demographics so you can't actually extrapolate effectively either way.

 

[buckwacker]

Fallacy, 3000 people on a cruise ship is not going to be proportionately representative of the US populations demographics so you can't actually extrapolate effectively either way.

Oh good Lord. This is starting to get ridiculous. Someone said 10 cases out of 3000 people isn't an outbreak, I put it in term of us population and all you can say is, "Oh that's different" when you're surprised that the numbers are as bad or worse than what we've been told is an 18 month pandemic.

 

[ditcherman]

Oh good Lord. This is starting to get ridiculous. Someone said 10 cases out of 3000 people isn't an outbreak, I put it in term of us population and all you can say is, "Oh that's different" when you're surprised that the numbers are as bad or worse than what we've been told is an 18 month pandemic.

Cue the ‘but that’s different’ meme.
Again.

 

[buckwacker]

Cue the ‘but that’s different’ meme.
Again.

I thought he said he likes math and all this is just a mathematical exercise, but when we do math that makes their arguments look uninformed, suddenly math is wrong.

 

[ditcherman]

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[rhamersley]

I thought he said he likes math and all this is just a mathematical exercise, but when we do math that makes their arguments look uninformed, suddenly math is wrong.

 

[jsharmon7]

Oh good Lord. This is starting to get ridiculous. Someone said 10 cases out of 3000 people isn't an outbreak, I put it in term of us population and all you can say is, "Oh that's different" when you're surprised that the numbers are as bad or worse than what we've been told is an 18 month pandemic.

I’m in agreement that the vaccine doesn’t prevent spread. I just don’t think this cruise ship is the case in point. A bunch of people locked on a boat for a week, sharing the same air systems, eating at the same couple restaurants, and attending the same shows. That’s really not representative of the US population. I would have expected the number of cases to be higher than 10. That’s 0.33% of the passengers after being locked on a boat in close quarters for a week.

 

[mbills2223]

Oh good Lord. This is starting to get ridiculous. Someone said 10 cases out of 3000 people isn't an outbreak, I put it in term of us population and all you can say is, "Oh that's different" when you're surprised that the numbers are as bad or worse than what we've been told is an 18 month pandemic.

Do you think a lot of 80 year olds are in the cruise ship? A lot of chronically ill people? If you understood what I was saying, you would've realized it was an opportunity for you to point out that the outbreak on the ship would've actually been much worse if it were representative of the US population, but you obviously missed that. All that aside, the point I was making in reality is that anytime I say virtually anything, someone will come along to say it's a fallacy, or I'm obfuscating, or maybe strawmaning. You have, once again, missed the point. I assume it's because you are just too focused on arguing and being angry.