If you’ve chosen not to take a Covid vaccine for whatever reason(s), it may be wise to reassess occasionally.

[DoggyDaddy]

This thread has been totally hijacked by the conversation that has been taking place in the God knows how many Covid/Vax threads we're up to now.

TB, thoughts and prayers for you, your friend and their family.

 

[jkaetz]

This thread has been totally hijacked by the conversation that has been taking place in the God knows how many Covid/Vax threads we're up to now.

TB, thoughts and prayers for you, your friend and their family.

True, but the OP mentions the vaccine after telling us about his friend. Most have expressed concern for his friend before discussing the vaccine/virus. It's a sad state of affairs for everyone at this point. Worst part is you can't get away from it, everyone has been directly impacted by the fallout so any discussion will be lively.

 

[Whitsettd8]

This is the most important question I have. Why does it impact people so differently? What is it about our genetic makeup that makes some young, healthy people die while sometimes old, sick people are just fine. Is it us individually, or something about strains of the virus? I had it almost a year ago. If I catch it again, will I experience the same mild symptoms or could I die next time? It’s just so unpredictable.

I've had it 3 times, 37 Male no underlying
Round 1 sore throat and felt like someone beat my traps and neck with a sledge hammer along with mild stomach issues .
Round 2 Loss of taste and smell zero flu like symptoms. Recovered smell and taste about 2 weeks.
Round 3 didn't know I had it oldest daughter tested positive.
It probably hit my wife the hardest but she was back on her feet in 3 days.
We have been fortunate

 

[BigRed]

I've had it 3 times, 37 Male no underlying
Round 1 sore throat and felt like someone beat my traps and neck with a sledge hammer along with mild stomach issues .
Round 2 Loss of taste and smell zero flu like symptoms. Recovered smell and taste about 2 weeks.
Round 3 didn't know I had it oldest daughter tested positive.
It probably hit my wife the hardest but she was back on her feet in 3 days.
We have been fortunate

Were you vaccinated?

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

This thread has been totally hijacked by the conversation that has been taking place in the God knows how many Covid/Vax threads we're up to now.

TB, thoughts and prayers for you, your friend and their family.

I'm curious if this new varient from South Africa will influence non-vaxers to get the shots?

 

[CHCRandy]

I'm curious if this new varient from South Africa will influence non-vaxers to get the shots?

Nothing changes my mind on the jab.......besides, they say it appears so far vaccines may be of no use to this variant, and at least 10 mutations of it. I mean think about that, Delta had I believe 2 mutations to the spike protein.....

I was sitting here looking at how much money I have already lost today, sickening.

I was just thinking how everyone who got vaccinated, may have to go thru it again. I cannot believe we are back in this mess.....could be square 1.

 

[JeepHammer]

Vaxed 3 times, kind of wish I'd mixed vaccines now.

Had a life long friend, met him in boot camp, die in September.
41 years of friendship...

Rabid anti-vaxer, threw a fit at me for getting vaxed.

After 14 days in intensive care, I was at his bedside when he passed.

Don't much care what the anti-vaxers say,
I wish he was still with us, so does his wife, son and grandson.

 

[oze]

:

Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning​

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

Thank you for posting the link, Sig.

I read and reread this abstract, and I have to say that it rocked my little world. It's not from some suspicious right-wing anti-vax site: it's from The American Heart Association.

Don't trust me, read the abstract for yourself, but my layman's abstract of the abstract is that the 5 year risk of having a new acute coronary syndrome more than doubled after receiving the 2nd mRNA covid shot.

Now, I assume that the people in the study were all cardiac patients, and that's as may be. But the effects that Pfizer and Moderna were found to have on the heart muscle are deeply disturbing to me.

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[KellyinAvon]

First and foremost, prayers for the family and friends (TB, CM, JH) and apologies if I skipped anyone going through tragedy (I jumped forward a bit.) HoosierDoc has prayers going his way too, as do all our first responders here on INGO who don't have the "Zoom Meeting" option.

I saw the post count on this thread going up, honestly I avoided it for a bit. Not what Mods are supposed to do, but I've been here a while and know how contentious things can get. INGOers have some pretty strong views on things and that is not limited to 2A by any stretch of the imagination.

Thanks for keeping the thread between the ditches.

 

[Hoosierdood]

Vaxed 3 times, kind of wish I'd mixed vaccines now.

Had a life long friend, met him in boot camp, die in September.
41 years of friendship...

Rabid anti-vaxer, threw a fit at me for getting vaxed.

After 14 days in intensive care, I was at his bedside when he passed.

Don't much care what the anti-vaxers say,
I wish he was still with us, so does his wife, son and grandson.

Sorry for your loss JH. I had an uncle pass from Covid early on. Couldn’t even have a real funeral. Wife had a good friend pass about a month ago. It’s never easy.

 

[Hoosierdood]

For the record, I am constantly reassessing my position on the vax. I had Covid in April, as did my whole family. The fact is that everyone will encounter Covid at some point, whether vaxxed or not. The data suggests that the vax can lessen the symptoms but doesn’t fully protect you. I have known fully vaxxed people who were in the hospital or died from Covid.

I’m not staunchly anti-vax, but at this point I don’t see the benefit for me personally. Until the data changes and they develop a vax that fully protects AND doesn’t have the potential side effects of the current offerings, my position will remain unchanged.

What I AM staunchly against is the condescension and vitriol that some have displayed toward those who have made different personal choices. If you want the vax then get it. If you don’t want it then don’t. But the “I know better than you and you are an idiot” attitudes need to stop.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Nothing changes my mind on the jab.......besides, they say it appears so far vaccines may be of no use to this variant, and at least 10 mutations of it. I mean think about that, Delta had I believe 2 mutations to the spike protein.....

I was sitting here looking at how much money I have already lost today, sickening.

I was just thinking how everyone who got vaccinated, may have to go thru it again. I cannot believe we are back in this mess.....could be square 1.

They always say vaccines "may not be effective" but i have not heard "will be of no use". What you seen that specific phrasing?

Again, natural immunity gives you antibodies to over 20 proteins. mRNA gives you ABs to only the spike. Natural immunity is better

 

[ditcherman]

First and foremost, prayers for the family and friends (TB, CM, JH) and apologies if I skipped anyone going through tragedy (I jumped forward a bit.) HoosierDoc has prayers going his way too, as do all our first responders here on INGO who don't have the "Zoom Meeting" option.

I saw the post count on this thread going up, honestly I avoided it for a bit. Not what Mods are supposed to do, but I've been here a while and know how contentious things can get. INGOers have some pretty strong views on things and that is not limited to 2A by any stretch of the imagination.

Thanks for keeping the thread between the ditches.

Appreciate you and all the mods.
I’m sure I’m not alone at all.
Appreciate the conversation here too.

 

[firecadet613]

Vaxed 3 times, kind of wish I'd mixed vaccines now.

Had a life long friend, met him in boot camp, die in September.
41 years of friendship...

Rabid anti-vaxer, threw a fit at me for getting vaxed.

After 14 days in intensive care, I was at his bedside when he passed.

Don't much care what the anti-vaxers say,
I wish he was still with us, so does his wife, son and grandson.

Sorry about your friend, but did he have any treatment for covid until he was hospitalized?

It's 2021 and we are almost two years into this mess. There is no "approved" treatment of covid until you're hospitalized, unless you go the Joe Rogan route (which I've heard is very successful - but there's no $$$ in it).

And JeepHammer, you're three jabs in, surely you'll be getting more with this new variant. You have no concerns about the long term effects all these jabs will have on you? Some of which are made by companies who have never made a successful vaccine until now and have liability immunity on this vax?

 

[ditcherman]

I'm curious if this new varient from South Africa will influence non-vaxers to get the shots?

It is interesting to me to even have this question posed.
It shows how easily we can talk past each other, hearing but not understanding. Listening but not grasping.

Many of us have said that we reconsider our positions, the timing varies person to person. The fact that “new variants” “are being reported” on a far away land, shortly after someone posted a link, probably fake to some degree, that some countries in Africa didn’t really have a covid problem because they didn’t have CNN, but had a decentralized government but were mostly tribal, doesn’t even make me blink. It makes me wonder who’s the fakest.

You see, it doesn’t matter how many new variants there are, if we DON’T BELIEVE THE VACCINES WORK then no amount of top down directives, scare tactics, threatening, or even maybe possibly true data will make us change our mind. It’s much harder than that.
TPTB have to earn our trust back.
And let me tell you what, that is a damn long hard uphill road for them.

Covid is real. Should go without saying, but, you know. This very thread that is so hard to keep on the intended tracks is the epitome of it being real. But the hitting close to home effects of it are separated from the suspicion of the supposed cure for many of us. And I think that may be where the disconnect is, that makes an innocent question like you asked (my wife’s in your camp as well) not even be a question on our radar. It’s a question of trust for what they are pushing.

 

[bobzilla]

What’s worse in all of these conversations both here and outside of here those that have gained natural immunity the hard way are lumped into this “anti-vax” ********. I’m not anti vax at all. I just don’t feel the risks for myself, with my underlying health issues thanks to my genetics.

That’s why I said making snap decisions after something tragic like this is a terrible idea. Making broad generalizations is even worse. Seriously people, lay off the anti-vax/pro vax dichotomy. It’s doing nothing for either side.

 

[Ingomike]

At first it didn't because we all thought COVID would burn out and go away.

Who thought this? Why did they think it?

I’m no doctor or scientist, but my understanding was once a virus exists it will exist forever, possibly going dormant but still existing. Therefore I never had an expectation that humans could wipe it out, hide from it, mask away from it, and did expect it to run its course with little humans could do to stop it.

 

[Ingomike]

This is the most important question I have. Why does it impact people so differently? What is it about our genetic makeup that makes some young, healthy people die while sometimes old, sick people are just fine. Is it us individually, or something about strains of the virus? I had it almost a year ago. If I catch it again, will I experience the same mild symptoms or could I die next time? It’s just so unpredictable.

It is well documented by Chinese dissidents that the CCP military is researching ethnic based biological warfare…

 

[Ingomike]

Important and urgent aren't the same thing. Unless you plan on going back in time to stop it, I don't think it's all that urgent to determine origin with 100% certainty.

Not big picture thinking, there would be a tremendous value in knowing if this was man created gain of function in a lab vs natural gain of function from a wet market bat…

 

[nra4ever]

Don’t let anyone pigeon hole you into anti vax pro vax. I am pro choice! If you want it get it if you don‘t then don’t. My body my choice. Your body your choice. We are fortunate to live in a free country. Don’t give up your rights ever. We need to support each other. If we don’t then who will be there for us when they come for us. History is your friend.