If you’ve chosen not to take a Covid vaccine for whatever reason(s), it may be wise to reassess occasionally.

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  • ditcherman

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    We definitely need a vaccine for this sickness. What fauci is selling is not what it needs to be.
    When the polio vaccine was released and someone died. they stopped it completely and went back to the lab and got it right. Only a few people I grew up with had the polio legs, after the med people got the vaccine worked out, that disease was pretty much eliminated.

    fauci's shot has proven ineffective, and killed thousands, and injured 100's of thousands, many are injured permanently. And both the people who had little problem and he people who were injured continue to get covid, and die from it. The damned product is NO good, and the little madman should be stripped of all power and influence until he can be tried and hung.

    Here were are a year and some months later and there has been no suspension of the program, in fact they want it pumped into children. They have not revised anything, they have not done anything to make it safe. Nothing to even make it effective.

    All fauci and his population control computer salesmen have done is make sure there is 24/7 propaganda selling people to risk it all for a lie. The emperor's new clothes don' exist.

    I want a real shot for covid, and I want real Doctors to practice medicine, not blindly follow protocols written by the same cdc people that made the mess.
    It’s not a shot, but Joe Rogan has a pretty good protocol IMO. Vitamin D, ivomectin, some other stuff that may include DMT, I don’t know. Listened to Tim Poole on there today and he thought pretty highly of it.
     

    wcd

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    It’s not so much about preventing the disease entirely as it is about reducing its severity.
    The problem I have with it is there is no consistency from two weeks to crush the curve, to if 45 had anything to do with the vaccine you can not trust it. Now we are all supposed to get in line follow like sheeple and get the jab because some senile swamp creature has attempted to overstep his constitutional authority and bypass the legislature, and dictate what personal health choices an individual makes.

    The information is out there for those that choose to put forth the effort to research it. Another interesting aside is the amount of time the drug manufacturer is requesting to release their study data.

    Understanding I am not a physician I am not going to tell any one how to make their personal choice with regard to what ever therapeutics they elect to utilize in their private healthcare regime.

    I will say as a free citizen people have liberty and are free to make a choice based on their own research and beliefs.

    Strange how the my body my right phrase that pro abortionist are so fond of is absent in the discussion with regards infringement on one’s personal Liberty. Last time I checked 100% of abortions have resulted in the loss of a human life! Where is the outrage Over abortions?


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    hoosierdoc

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    CM: the mRNA vaccines are very good at giving very good temporary protection. I haven't seen data on effectiveness of third shot yet, or delayed interval between first and second.

    If you are "fully vaxed" and more than six months have passed, you need to realize your chance of catching COVID may only be 40% less than someone who has no immunity to it. Much less with Johnson and Johnson. Call that 15-20%.

    If you're at risk, get the shot. Get the booster if you're really at risk. If you are unvax or it's been a while and you get COVID and have risks, get MAB.

    Remove all political crap from your mind. COVID is real. COVID sucks. It WILL find you at least once. That's basically guaranteed. Don't walk into that fight unarmed because '"no one's gonna tell ME what to do". It's possible to do something that will help you while at the same time not doing it because someone demanded you do it. If you don't want it, fine. But not taking it, despite being at risk from COVID, because you're not going to give someone who has no idea who you are the satisfaction? Sorry, that's ridiculous.
     

    wcd

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    Driving to work is a calculated risk. Not taking the only vaccines we have is a calculated risk. Everyone should be free to make these calculations on their own. Never ever would I say the jab should be mandatory. Never ever would I support that. All I know is, right now I’m wishing my friend had done it. He couldn’t be any worse off. I’m watching him die an awful death. It will be a divine miracle if he pulls through at this point.
    Not being argumentative and praying for your friend. But he could have suffered a fatal heart attack after getting the jab. Unfortunately everyone has an expiration date, and when one’s time is up it matters not. Again not being callous Just speaking after having learned the hard way and life is not always easy and the key is to appreciate your circle of friends and family and every day.
     

    cbhausen

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    I got my third shot of the Pfizer vaccine six months and a day after the second. My family doctor happened to have an dose expiring that night and said I could go ahead and take it along with my flu shot so I did. But I would never ever have a doctor stick a needle full of that stuff in the arm of either of my five-year-old twins.

    Oh, and a heartfelt “**** YOU!” to anyone and everyone that had anything to do with unleashing this **** on the world.
     

    tbhausen

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    This thread can go a lot of directions. I started it about my personal feelings and how they’ve changed now that this disease has finally hit close to home.
    To explain how my personal feelings have changed, I wouldn’t have really said anything at all before, and now I’m just asking people to reassess occasionally because **** got real for me. Nothing more, nothing less.
     

    wcd

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    I got my third shot of the Pfizer vaccine six months and a day after the second. My family doctor happened to have an dose expiring that night and said I could go ahead and take it along with my flu shot so I did. But I would never ever have a doctor stick a needle full of that stuff in the arm of either of my five-year-old twins.

    Oh, and a heartfelt “**** YOU!” to anyone and everyone that had anything to do with unleashing this **** on the world.
    So I am very confused with regards to your logic here. I may be misinterpreting what you are saying? So you elected to get injected with the stuff, but you would not allow your children to take it?
     

    cbhausen

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    So I am very confused with regards to your logic here. I may be misinterpreting what you are saying? So you elected to get injected with the stuff, but you would not allow your children to take it?
    For me, at my age, the potential risks are worth it. To my kids, especially my son and what I’ve been hearing about myocarditis and young boys, no way.

    Is it so difficult to see that it might be not be right for people of different ages? I have a personal choice to make, my kids don’t.

    To my reasoning, there’s more risk in me getting Covid than taking the vaccine and for my kids there’s more risk in taking the vaccine than getting Covid. Pretty simple if you think about it.
     

    indyjohn

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    What nobody is recognizing is that the scientist's efforts to increase gain of function has been successful.

    What nobody knows is in what spectrum were those scientist trying to increase gain of function.

    The 2019 iteration of COVID is certainly killing people. But it is very unclear what the common denominator is. My High School English teacher died from COVID. I'm not sure if he had any co-morbidity issues (maybe diabetes). He was only 10-ish years older than I am.

    We believe both of our boys got it in December & January of 2019-2020. We've not had any more than mild flu symptoms at numerous times since then. Our EMS son was working a dedicated COVID truck for months while he was still living here. I'm sure we've been exposed, but so far so good.

    So, what are we lacking in our DNA that thankfully is not killing us by infection via COVID-19?
     

    wcd

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    For me, at my age, the potential risks are worth it. To my kids, especially my son and what I’ve been hearing about myocarditis and young boys, no way.

    Is it so difficult to see that it might be not be right for people of different ages? I have a personal choice to make, my kids don’t.

    To my reasoning, there’s more risk in me getting Covid than taking the vaccine and for my kids there’s more risk in taking the vaccine than getting Covid. Pretty simple if you think about it.
    No it’s really not “So Difficult to see it might not right for people of different ages” You choice to get the jab, which in the end game may or may not have been the best choice, who knows you may develop blood clots, hypertension, pulmonary issues…. But the fact remains it was your decision to make. Not that my opinion matters and it really should not with regards to your children or anyone else for that matter, I believe you are correct in you risk to benefit analysis. Being a parent as well it will be a cold day in ….when forces a jab on our child.
     

    shibumiseeker

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    Back when seatbelt use became law, the same reactions of “no one gonna tell me what to do” were being bandied about. Hell, I’d worn my seatbelt religiously before then because the numbers didn’t lie: they do save lives. Yet I felt the pull of “**** the government telling me what to do.”

    Being reactionary just because you’re being told what to do is counterproductive. I’m sorry tbhausen’s friend is dying of this. It sucks, it really does. I’ve now watched several friends suffer severely and a couple of them die.
     

    hoosierdoc

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    Side note, we had a Bettenhausen out to the house a few weeks ago to measure a door. Associated with home Depot. Reportedly no relation. Are there a few different families?
     

    wcd

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    What nobody is recognizing is that the scientist's efforts to increase gain of function has been successful.

    What nobody knows is in what spectrum were those scientist trying to increase gain of function.

    The 2019 iteration of COVID is certainly killing people. But it is very unclear what the common denominator is. My High School English teacher died from COVID. I'm not sure if he had any co-morbidity issues (maybe diabetes). He was only 10-ish years older than I am.

    We believe both of our boys got it in December & January of 2019-2020. We've not had any more than mild flu symptoms at numerous times since then. Our EMS son was working a dedicated COVID truck for months while he was still living here. I'm sure we've been exposed, but so far so good.

    So, what are we lacking in our DNA that thankfully is not killing us by infection via COVID-19?
    Well according to Dr Falsey there was no gain of function research taking place, well at least not until he was proven to be a liar, oh no wait scratch that he was not lying then because we can just change the definition to suit his narrative.

    Furthermore how dare independent, critical thinking citizens question the all knowing …hat.


    Last time I checked science was to be questioned and hypothesis exist to question and prove or disprove a theory. Never mind let’s not let facts get in the way of someone’s personal gain and agenda.
     

    indyjs

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    I have read that some areas are restricting access to monoclonal antibody infusion. I believe the vaccine push is to legitimize Mrna technology. The pay off for that would be stellar. Also read that vaccine protections wanes after 2 months.
    This entire pandemic has been manipulated for political and financial benefits. It is difficult to rationally asses what the correct action is. Blocking possible low cost effective drugs from being prescribed is silly as in flooding the country with people exempt from testing or vaccinating. The only coherent push is to take the vaccine which, reportedly, the people pushing are not taking it.
    Sorry about your friend. No pushback on China for distributing this worldwide and turning us into lab rats.
     

    Sigblaster

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    OK I have been debating on if I should post this up in the forum and this made up my mind.

    I have a group of friends that live in Black Forrest Colorado. I met them through my adventures and journeys through racing at a professional level. We were all part of maybe 6 runs at the 500 and successful in all of them. Low buck may only efforts.
    The 2 brothers have a shop and turn out some amazing pieces that have set and currently hold records at pikes peak and they owned a series that ran for several years running older Indy cars. I have some wonderful memories with them.

    OK.....I learned yesterday that the younger brother passed away in the ICU from Covid. His wife, brother and my friend that lives on the property and works with them in the shop all contracted it as well. The brother is struggling but the wife and my friend are holding their own. Now here is the kicker.....they were all fully vaxxed. All 4 of them. So we are having a WTAF is going on moment.

    Today we learn 2 family members (a niece and a nephew) from different homes have the covid and yes, they are fully Vaxxed. So again.....WTAF is going on here.

    My heart is very heavy right now and no mood to go off on a rant so take from this what you will.

    We live in a society full of lies and deceit all the way to the top of the food chain.

    Mouse is out.


    Edit.....Yes we are sending our prayers up for your friend and all who are in pain from this.
    CM, sorry to hear about this. I'm sure you have enough on your plate without heaping these situations on.

    You are so right about the lies and deceit, though. I can see through it as well as you. At first I thought the vaccines were about exercising power by making people knuckle under. Gaining compliance and surrendering to authority certainly works in the favor who would turn our Constitutional Republic into a socialist or marxist "paradise". Then I started thinking that maybe the politicians are using their insider information to make money from their investments in pharmaceuticals. But no, there's even more to it than that, and the scary thing is, I don't know what the true motivation behind the coercion and mandates is.

    Consider this: The vaccines are known to cause certain side effects in a small number of recipients. A couple of these things are pericarditis, and blood clotting issues. Then the government publishes a "fact sheet" that says that people who have chronic pericarditis should still get the vaccine, and that it's safe for them. Wait, what? If it can cause pericarditis in healthy people, how is it safe for people who already suffer from it?

    Then, there's the blood clotting issues. The government "fact sheet" specifically mentions the prothrombin gene mutation as NOT being a contraindicator for the vaccines. I know most of you don't know what that is, but it's a genetic mutation that makes you more likely to have blood clots. It's a pretty rare condition, but it's specifically mentioned in government propaganda. Oops I meant "fact sheets". If such a rare condition is not an issue for the vaccine, WHY WOULD THEY EVEN MENTION IT? What is their motive for dismissing concerns from such a small sector of the population?

    Why is the government advocating the use of these vaccines in populations that may suffer from their administration? It serves some goal, I'm sure, and I don't like to think about what that goal is, but I certainly do think about it. And I think I know what it is.

    I have chronic pericarditis. I also have the prothrombin gene mutation, which has caused me to have 2 deep vein thrombosises (or whatever the plural is for that) in my leg, and a heart attack where I had a 100%, 90%, and 80% blockage, and I now have 3 stents in my chest. They want me to get this shot? No. Have it up yours.

    Then there's the unknown long term side effects, because the vaccine hasn't actually been tested long term. Well at least by the manufacturers. It doesn't serve their interests to do so. But there are people who do research these things, because that is their mission, at least with regard to the effect on the heart. Of course, I'm taking about the American Heart Association. They aren't beholding to the pharmeceuticals, and they had this to say:

    Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning​

    https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

    One last point, about testing unvaccinated people while not testing vaccinated people for access to whatever workplaces or venues thay may want to enter. Whether you are vaccinated or unvaccinated, you can still be afflicted with, transmit, and even die from the COVID virus. Why only test the unvaccinated? Why not test the vaccinated too?

    This is not about public health. It never has been. It's about compliance. It's about subjugation. It's about control. It's really about something more than that, but I'm not going to go deeper into it.

    I hate to muck up this thread with this, but the OP's initial slur of "anti-vaxxer" combined with CM's lighting the fuse of the firecracker in my ass got me going. :abused:
     
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    Twangbanger

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    ...Oh, and a heartfelt “**** YOU!” to anyone and everyone that had anything to do with unleashing this **** on the world.

    I want somebody put in front of the firing squad for this.

    Let's do this the Chinese Way. Because this cannot happen again.

    I know I'm probably a dick, but I want each and every one of you to remind your family members at Thanksgiving tomorrow - "Science did this to us."
     

    Tombs

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    OK I have been debating on if I should post this up in the forum and this made up my mind.

    I have a group of friends that live in Black Forrest Colorado. I met them through my adventures and journeys through racing at a professional level. We were all part of maybe 6 runs at the 500 and successful in all of them. Low buck may only efforts.
    The 2 brothers have a shop and turn out some amazing pieces that have set and currently hold records at pikes peak and they owned a series that ran for several years running older Indy cars. I have some wonderful memories with them.

    OK.....I learned yesterday that the younger brother passed away in the ICU from Covid. His wife, brother and my friend that lives on the property and works with them in the shop all contracted it as well. The brother is struggling but the wife and my friend are holding their own. Now here is the kicker.....they were all fully vaxxed. All 4 of them. So we are having a WTAF is going on moment.

    Today we learn 2 family members (a niece and a nephew) from different homes have the covid and yes, they are fully Vaxxed. So again.....WTAF is going on here.

    My heart is very heavy right now and no mood to go off on a rant so take from this what you will.

    We live in a society full of lies and deceit all the way to the top of the food chain.

    Mouse is out.


    Edit.....Yes we are sending our prayers up for your friend and all who are in pain from this.

    The vax has a shorter useful lifetime than people expect and is closer to a prophylactic than a vaccine.

    This is why there's a panic over boosters now, and it isn't quack science, it's true. You would need a booster every 3 months if you believe the vaccine has the level of efficacy they clam it does. But they're very careful about explaining it to the public this way.

    This shot isn't worth a damn and a proper vaccine needs developed.
     
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