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  • churchmouse

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    I agree! I was seriously hoping that they would note how well it had performed and maybe even studied it a little. I REALLY didn't expect them to cite the ammo!
    Warr is as good as whomever you are dealing with. I hate having to use it and only have a couple of times for major issues. Simple stuff I take care of in house.
    mossburg has stellar CS.
    Springer sucks butt.
     

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    Warr is as good as whomever you are dealing with. I hate having to use it and only have a couple of times for major issues. Simple stuff I take care of in house.
    mossburg has stellar CS.
    Springer sucks butt.
    I never had to use the customer service from either of those two. I hope I don't have to!
     

    russc2542

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    As others said, that ain't bad. Think of it as the cost for the last 10k rounds of use.

    They aren't saying your ammo's crap. They're saying they don't know your ammo. Unless you have some very pricey equipment, technically you don't know the pressures it has either. You know roughly where it ought to be based on other's testing. They haven't tested it and you can't cite QC certifications and checks. I realize WWB has terrible ammo but they can say "we calibrate this machine with this reference at this frequency for every step of the process, here's our process for deviations. we're ISO 12345 certified" and all that. It's also as a customer service CYA so that reloaders can't argue details about "oh well my load was 5fps lower than that load" but that's with Y bullets instead of X and a different powder with a different powder curve, cases, primers, cleanliness, etc. They can't take the time to test every reloader's loads and loading process so they don't accept any of them. Even if they came to your house and inspected your setup and tested some of your loads, there's no third party documentation that's what you were using or how consistent your loads are. Don't take it personally.

    I deal with the same thing all the time from people trying to join the club "I'm ex military/police/shooting since I was a kid etc I shouldn't have to shoot with you to show I can safely handle a gun" OK, Great then it shouldn't be a problem to safely handle a firearm in front of me. It's not because I think they are a problem, it's because I don't know them from the last 20 people who said the exact same thing.

    I get what you're saying and part of me would feel the same but set your bruised feelings aside and think about it logically: It's a line in the sand, it's documented ahead of time, and they're following it. could be worse, they could just say "no" or charge you full hourly rate for however long the work takes.
     

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    As others said, that ain't bad. Think of it as the cost for the last 10k rounds of use.

    They aren't saying your ammo's crap. They're saying they don't know your ammo. Unless you have some very pricey equipment, technically you don't know the pressures it has either. You know roughly where it ought to be based on other's testing. They haven't tested it and you can't cite QC certifications and checks. I realize WWB has terrible ammo but they can say "we calibrate this machine with this reference at this frequency for every step of the process, here's our process for deviations. we're ISO 12345 certified" and all that. It's also as a customer service CYA so that reloaders can't argue details about "oh well my load was 5fps lower than that load" but that's with Y bullets instead of X and a different powder with a different powder curve, cases, primers, cleanliness, etc. They can't take the time to test every reloader's loads and loading process so they don't accept any of them. Even if they came to your house and inspected your setup and tested some of your loads, there's no third party documentation that's what you were using or how consistent your loads are. Don't take it personally.

    I deal with the same thing all the time from people trying to join the club "I'm ex military/police/shooting since I was a kid etc I shouldn't have to shoot with you to show I can safely handle a gun" OK, Great then it shouldn't be a problem to safely handle a firearm in front of me. It's not because I think they are a problem, it's because I don't know them from the last 20 people who said the exact same thing.

    I get what you're saying and part of me would feel the same but set your bruised feelings aside and think about it logically: It's a line in the sand, it's documented ahead of time, and they're following it. could be worse, they could just say "no" or charge you full hourly rate for however long the work takes.
    All true enough. But they set different expectations with me in our earlier interaction regarding the misalignment of the sights. They asked me for a detailed breakdown of the number and types of ammo I was using when I determined that the point of aim and point of impact were too far off of each other for the pistol to be used for its intended purpose. No objections from them then. They acknowledged that the number and types of ammo fired were of sufficient variety and number and the issue repeated across all of them for it to be a legitimate concern.
     

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    All true enough. But they set different expectations with me in our earlier interaction regarding the misalignment of the sights. They asked me for a detailed breakdown of the number and types of ammo I was using when I determined that the point of aim and point of impact were too far off of each other for the pistol to be used for its intended purpose. No objections from them then. They acknowledged that the number and types of ammo fired were of sufficient variety and number and the issue repeated across all of them for it to be a legitimate concern.
    I get that, but russc is right. Plus, at 10,000 rounds, you've more than proven that your Taurus is a quality handgun.
     

    russc2542

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    All true enough. But they set different expectations with me in our earlier interaction regarding the misalignment of the sights. They asked me for a detailed breakdown of the number and types of ammo I was using when I determined that the point of aim and point of impact were too far off of each other for the pistol to be used for its intended purpose. No objections from them then. They acknowledged that the number and types of ammo fired were of sufficient variety and number and the issue repeated across all of them for it to be a legitimate concern.
    Maybe they were being nice because it was new then.

    Being nice always sets bad precedents lol
     

    DoggyDaddy

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    Maybe they were being nice because it was new then.

    Being nice always sets bad precedents lol
    Well also the issue was just with the sights before, so ammo choice wouldn't have caused any damage. But since the area with the problem this time was in direct contact with the ammo, maybe that's why they decided to be sticklers this time.
     

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    Well also the issue was just with the sights before, so ammo choice wouldn't have caused any damage. But since the area with the problem this time was in direct contact with the ammo, maybe that's why they decided to be sticklers this time.
    That's a valid point. Regardless. I think I'm in the market for a Ruger SP101 now!
     

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    I can totally understand their reluctance to do warranty work on something that’s had a LOT of reloads through it. Not questioning your reloading skills at all, but man, in my few years working at the range, I’ve seen a ton of sketchy reloads. We wouldn’t allow people to fire reloads in our rental guns.
     
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    Bigtanker

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    I'll definitely check out the LCR. Good thing the 1500 is this weekend!
    Since you reload, look into the .327 Fed Mag. Same power from a 2" barrel as a .357, but you get 6 rounds in a J frame size gun. You can also shoot/load .32 S&W- short and long, 32 H+R magnum and in a pinch, .32 acp.

    They have the LCR chambered in the .327 and the SP 101.
     

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    Since you reload, look into the .327 Fed Mag. Same power from a 2" barrel as a .357, but you get 6 rounds in a J frame size gun. You can also shoot/load .32 S&W- short and long, 32 H+R magnum and in a pinch, .32 acp.

    They have the LCR chambered in the .327 and the SP 101.
    Oh man! That's great advice! I'll definitely check it out. Thanks!
     

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    I can totally understand their reluctance to do warranty work on something that’s had a LOT of reloads through it. Not questioning your reloading skills at all, but man, in my few years working at the range, I’ve seen a ton of sketchy reloads. We wouldn’t allow people to fire reloads in our rental guns.
    I completely agree with you regarding sketchy reloads. Some with ranges not letting anyone shoot reloads in rental guns. Particularly since the rentals don't belong to the person doing the shooting. This pistol was mine though.
     
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