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  • snapping turtle

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    Check out spartan mowers. Sure you are talking more than a CC equal to a JD upgraded. But man I looked and I found the difference to be worth the extra outlay of cash up front. You can step on the deck. You can remove the floor foot plate for easy access to the belts. Radial tire in the rear. Ect. I wish I had jumped up one series more to get the Parker drivetrain but I could not justify it to the better half.
     

    Ingomike

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    Not OP, but is MTD something I should know?

    It is just part of corporate shell and pea game. MTD is just a bottom feeder buying up names as the original company fails. They bought the CC name when IH was imploding. Now Stanley/Black and Decker owns 80% of them and all the names they own.

    I am not a fan of the name game, meaning a company and its employees worked to build a reputation and for many reasons those companies failed but the corporations that bought their name are still whoring it out on unknowing consumers who just are unaware that, RCA, Magnavox, Bolens, Schwinn, etc. do not exist as a company.
     

    DeadeyeChrista'sdad

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    I bought a bottom of the line deere 3 series from Reynolds in Muncie at the beginning of mowing season. 3300.00 and some change if I remember correctly. This is a strippy model, but so far it has been way more than adequate. Part of the reason I bought it was just to see how Reynolds was to deal with. So far, they've been great.
     

    Ingomike

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    I've looked. I cannot find any concrete evidence that the JD mowers sold at box stores, ANY box stores, are any different at all than the tractors sold at the JD dealerships.

    I highly suspect that this is one more wholly unsubstiantated urban legend / myth.

    As in any UL/myth there usually is some truth. My understanding is in the beginning dealers did not want the low end equipment and wanted to differentiate themselves from the big box equipment. They later decided they wanted the profits from the low end sales too and the consumer already expected them to do repairs anyway.

    HD is that all what you saw?
     

    mbills2223

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    It is just part of corporate shell and pea game. MTD is just a bottom feeder buying up names as the original company fails. They bought the CC name when IH was imploding. Now Stanley/Black and Decker owns 80% of them and all the names they own.

    I am not a fan of the name game, meaning a company and its employees worked to build a reputation and for many reasons those companies failed but the corporations that bought their name are still whoring it out on unknowing consumers who just are unaware that, RCA, Magnavox, Bolens, Schwinn, etc. do not exist as a company.
    I understand. I guess I'm just numb to it as that seems standard in all industries at this point.
     

    HoughMade

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    I've looked. I cannot find any concrete evidence that the JD mowers sold at box stores, ANY box stores, are any different at all than the tractors sold at the JD dealerships.

    I highly suspect that this is one more wholly unsubstiantated urban legend / myth.
    Find me an X330 or any other X series, or a 200 series for sale at a big box store. If what we have been stating is a myth, should be easy.

    I explained this all above.

    The premium JD lawn tractors, the X series, is sold only at dealers. They have a full perimeter frame and Kawasaki engines- other differences.

    The 100 series is available from big box and dealers. They have a stamped steel body, no perimeter frame, and Briggs, sometimes (in the past at least) Kohler engines...but frankly, who cares about the 100 series?

    The 200 series is available only from dealers, but has the same construction as the 100 series, but with a better deck and with a Kawasaki engine.

    Some of the differences between the series.

     

    Bennettjh

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    The salesman at JD we talked to when replacing the LT155, said the 100/200 they had was the same as Lowe's, etc. If we were wanting something of equal quality, go with the X series, which is only at dealers.
     

    Ingomike

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    I understand. I guess I'm just numb to it as that seems standard in all industries at this point.

    I had family and friends that literally spent their lives working for many of these "names". They were proud of what they did a what the company produced. It is sad to see the sacrifices they made to make great products, so great we still have respect for the name all these years later, turned into a somewhat deceptive marketing ploy...
     

    Hoosierdood

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    As in any UL/myth there usually is some truth. My understanding is in the beginning dealers did not want the low end equipment and wanted to differentiate themselves from the big box equipment. They later decided they wanted the profits from the low end sales too and the consumer already expected them to do repairs anyway.

    HD is that all what you saw?
    JD has always had Good, Better, Best models of mowers. Anyone remember the Scott’s or Sabre brands? (all made by JD) Deere reserves all but the lowest end models for dealers only. The lowest models are sold at dealers as well as big box stores. I think Deere’s thinking on that is to let customers have an option on at least a few models.

    And Hogue is right that those models have Briggs engines. The dealer models have the option for the Kawasaki engines which are far superior. Also, since Deere sets the list price on all their mowers, the big box models are usually the same price as the dealership. Only difference is if you get some sort of discount at the big box for veteran, 11% rebate, or club card.

    At least at the dealership you generally get someone who knows what they’re talking about rather than an 18 year old kid who just stocks shelves in the department.
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    I had family and friends that literally spent their lives working for many of these "names". They were proud of what they did a what the company produced. It is sad to see the sacrifices they made to make great products, so great we still have respect for the name all these years later, turned into a somewhat deceptive marketing ploy...

    "Reputation mining" is the term you're looking for.
     

    HoughMade

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    Still is worth having. Looks like they go for around $3500 and that is double what they sold ne for I would guess...
    $3,500 and up for nice ones. We had 2 of the red ones at the dealership I worked for in the '90s and when the place closed and we sold them, they went for closer to $6,000 and that was in 1995.

    ...but I'll keep my Allis Chalmers.
     

    Airtevron1

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    Find me an X330 or any other X series, or a 200 series for sale at a big box store. If what we have been stating is a myth, should be easy.

    I explained this all above.

    The premium JD lawn tractors, the X series, is sold only at dealers. They have a full perimeter frame and Kawasaki engines- other differences.

    The 100 series is available from big box and dealers. They have a stamped steel body, no perimeter frame, and Briggs, sometimes (in the past at least) Kohler engines...but frankly, who cares about the 100 series?

    The 200 series is available only from dealers, but has the same construction as the 100 series, but with a better deck and with a Kawasaki engine.

    Some of the differences between the series.

    This, same with CC. Home Depot version different than Riggs Mowers version. I look at JD same as Harley, big money for a name, much better options out there. Look at Toro.
     

    ghuns

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    I bought a JD 425 new, the cam problem came up at just under 1000 hours, it is a simple minor fix. At about 3000 hours replaced it with its great grandchild a x700 series. Other than the extra 5hp which I believe is actually not able to be fully used. 25 years and 2 generations after the 425 the JD engineers should be ashamed of themselves for their lack of improvements and steps backwards in several areas. The 425 family was a far better built and engineered series.
    ^^^^This^^^^

    The 425, 445, and 455 were the high point for JD.

    My dads 425 has about 1200 hours without a problem. My 445 is over 2000 hours now. It did need an oil pump gear and a head gasket around 1600. But those are both cheap and easy to fix if you can DIY it.
     
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