Vaccine coercion/bribery

The #1 community for Gun Owners in Indiana

Member Benefits:

  • Fewer Ads!
  • Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership
  • Discuss anti-gun legislation
  • Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section
  • Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses
  • Discover free outdoor shooting areas
  • View up to date on firearm-related events
  • Share photos & video with other members
  • ...and so much more!
  • Status
    Not open for further replies.

    phylodog

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    59   0   0
    Mar 7, 2008
    18,748
    113
    Arcadia
    The argument is circular. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/index.htm

    If you have alternative statistics, please cite them. If not, there is no debate.
    You put your faith in whatever makes you comfortable snd I’ll do the same.

    The argument is not circular. If you cannot predict who will or won’t fall seriously ill than there is no possible way to determine how effective an injection was, is or will be.
     

    Hatin Since 87

    Bacon Hater
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Mar 31, 2018
    11,402
    77
    Mooresville
    I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. Argue a valid point.

    Even my chipmunk understands breakthrough infection data.
    Well, that was kinda my point. It still infects vaccinated individuals, and they still spread the virus if they’re infected. Israel is a good example of this.


    My question is, and maybe you can help me, why should I get the vaccine?
     

    Alpo

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    2   0   0
    Sep 23, 2014
    13,877
    113
    Indy Metro Area
    You put your faith in whatever makes you comfortable snd I’ll do the same.

    The argument is not circular. If you cannot predict who will or won’t fall seriously ill than there is no possible way to determine how effective an injection was, is or will be.
    You understand homicide rates. Please predict who and who will not die by gunshot wound.

    Statistically, you can infer what the results might be for me based on race, demographics, etc., but you cannot tell me with certainty that I will die by homicide....unless you are the one holding the pistola. :)
     

    Alpo

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    2   0   0
    Sep 23, 2014
    13,877
    113
    Indy Metro Area
    Well, that was kinda my point. It still infects vaccinated individuals, and they still spread the virus if they’re infected. Israel is a good example of this.


    My question is, and maybe you can help me, why should I get the vaccine?
    I don't care. Do what you want. Just don't make generalizations that reduce your own credibility on the issue.
     

    foszoe

    Grandmaster
    Site Supporter
    Rating - 100%
    24   0   0
    Jun 2, 2011
    16,052
    113
    If they do you’ll have to point it out to me because I don’t see it without making assumptions or jumping to conclusions.
    All 3 studies concluded that those who have had COVID-19 have less severe symptoms the second time around.

    Isn't that a conclusion predicting who will and who will not get hit hard by the virus?
     

    Hatin Since 87

    Bacon Hater
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Mar 31, 2018
    11,402
    77
    Mooresville
    I don't care. Do what you want. Just don't make generalizations that reduce your own credibility on the issue.
    I wasn’t asking why “I should” get the vaccine... I’m asking WHY I should. :lmfao: Uh. Ya. Something like that.


    Vaccinated people still become infected from Covid. Vaccinated people that are infected still spread the virus. That’s not debatable. Your issue must be with the shows it doesn’t work part. Well. It does.


    The entire point of a vaccine is to prevent infection and the spread of a virus. It doesn’t do that. I keep hearing this “don’t worry about the long term side effects of the vaccine because the long term effects of Covid are still unknown”. So if you’re vaccinated AND get infected still, now you have long term side effects from both to worry about.
     

    jsharmon7

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    119   0   0
    Nov 24, 2008
    7,821
    113
    Freedonia
    Maybe we should stop assigning everyone to a “side.” Some of us fall somewhere in the middle. A lot of the mandates and pressure don’t make sense, but it doesn’t negate the possible value of the vaccine or the potential danger of the virus. It’s entirely valid to say it appears the vaccine reduces the rates of illness but it isn’t effective enough to justify forcing everyone to get it. It seems people are more focused on proving why they’re right and not so much weighing the evidence objectively.
     

    Alpo

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    2   0   0
    Sep 23, 2014
    13,877
    113
    Indy Metro Area
    I wasn’t asking why “I should” get the vaccine... I’m asking WHY I should. :lmfao: Uh. Ya. Something like that.
    Can't help ya there, bud. I don't care if you do or not. You pays yer money and you takes yer chances.
    Vaccinated people still become infected from Covid. Vaccinated people that are infected still spread the virus. That’s not debatable. Your issue must be with the shows it doesn’t work part. Well. It does.
    Yes, your observation is not in error in it's non-specificity. You don't talk about the rate of change related to infection with and without vaccination. It would be more accurate to say that "Some vaccinated people still become infected from Covid". Further accuracy could be provided by indicating the statistical rates of breakthrough infections.
    The entire point of a vaccine is to prevent infection and the spread of a virus. It doesn’t do that.
    Yes, it does.
     

    phylodog

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    59   0   0
    Mar 7, 2008
    18,748
    113
    Arcadia
    You understand homicide rates. Please predict who and who will not die by gunshot wound.

    Statistically, you can infer what the results might be for me based on race, demographics, etc., but you cannot tell me with certainty that I will die by homicide....unless you are the one holding the pistola. :)
    I’m not the one claiming to have any knowledge whatsoever. I’m not trying to convince anyone to believe me. I’m asking to be convinced and I can promise you that a U.S. Government run agency has no more credibility than CNN or the neighborhood drunk down the street.
     

    Alpo

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    2   0   0
    Sep 23, 2014
    13,877
    113
    Indy Metro Area
    I’m not the one claiming to have any knowledge whatsoever. I’m not trying to convince anyone to believe me. I’m asking to be convinced and I can promise you that a U.S. Government run agency has no more credibility than CNN or the neighborhood drunk down the street.
    You are talking to the wrong person if you want those answers from me. I don't care whether you get vaccinated or not. The statistics are available for you to make your own decision. My own family experience is only anecdotal and only semi-useful in convincing the unvaccinated members of my extended family that it is in their best interest to get the vaccine.
     

    phylodog

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    59   0   0
    Mar 7, 2008
    18,748
    113
    Arcadia
    You are talking to the wrong person if you want those answers from me. I don't care whether you get vaccinated or not. The statistics are available for you to make your own decision. My own family experience is only anecdotal and only semi-useful in convincing the unvaccinated members of my extended family that it is in their best interest to get the vaccine.
    That’s a big responsibility. I hope it works out long term.
     

    Alpo

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    2   0   0
    Sep 23, 2014
    13,877
    113
    Indy Metro Area
    Prove it objectively.
    You google at least as well as I do. Read the CDC reports. Here are a couple of studies so that I don't get accused of not attempting to meet your request.


     

    phylodog

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    59   0   0
    Mar 7, 2008
    18,748
    113
    Arcadia
    You google at least as well as I do. Read the CDC reports. Here are a couple of studies so that I don't get accused of not attempting to meet your request.


    I
    Neither
    Believe
    Nor
    Trust
    The
    CDC.

    Now what?
     

    Alpo

    Grandmaster
    Rating - 100%
    2   0   0
    Sep 23, 2014
    13,877
    113
    Indy Metro Area
    That’s a big responsibility. I hope it works out long term.
    1 out of 8 siblings decided not to get the vaccination (age 60). He almost died of Covid (given remdesivir).

    Next generation down....mostly vaccinated. One breakthrough infection out of 16(?) vaccinated. Unvaccinated remainder (3?) still healthy.
     
    Status
    Not open for further replies.
    Top Bottom