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    d.kaufman

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    2. Having COVID-19 then getting vaccinated offers a higher level of protection
    I have seen 1 study relating to this. However they gave no information as to how much better you're protection was with 1 shot and natural immunity thru prior infection. Same study also showed that natural immunity plus both doses actually decreased protection
     

    actaeon277

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    If you ever want to something turn to complete ****, just let .gov stick its nose under the tent.
    I'm sure they had 125 "extra " employees laying around.
    Not like they're gonna have to overwork everyone else
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    Meh, I'm not worrying about it. I'm also not going to navel gaze at just the one study, when there are multiples out there. Even with that, at this time it's a bit early to tell much. It'll be interesting to see what data comes to light in the next 6 - 12 months.
    Who is navel gazing? Feel free to post another study. One that shows a placebo has statistally similar results ad a vaccine would seem to support you claim
     

    foszoe

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    I have seen 1 study relating to this. However they gave no information as to how much better you're protection was with 1 shot and natural immunity thru prior infection. Same study also showed that natural immunity plus both doses actually decreased protection
    Unless you are counting this study as one, I would think the total would be 2
     

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    Who is navel gazing? Feel free to post another study. One that shows a placebo has statistally similar results ad a vaccine would seem to support you claim
    If they cannot predict how the virus will affect any food individual who gets infected, how can they claim to determine how effective or ineffective the vaccine is? I’m not saying it’s worthless, I’m willing to concede that it’s possible it might help those at high risk. What I’ve seen zero evidence of is that everyone would benefit from this vaccine.

    As an example…my daughter had Covid and zero symptoms. Had she been vaccinated you can bet TPTB would have claimed her to be a vaccination success story which is intellectually dishonest at best. My wife had Covid and only minor symptoms, same situation in that had she been vaccinated the claim would be that her symptoms would have been worse without it and the vaccine kept her out of the hospital. The data does not exist for these claims yet they are and have been made for the past year.

    Maybe the vaccine works, maybe not. The point is that no one can say for sure but that isn’t stopping them and that is a problem.
     

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    Who is navel gazing? Feel free to post another study. One that shows a placebo has statistally similar results ad a vaccine would seem to support you claim
    Well we know at least one pharma company destroyed their study by jabbing the control group. :n00b: Those studies might not exist.
     

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    Maybe the vaccine works, maybe not. The point is that no one can say for sure but that isn’t stopping them and that is a problem.
    That seems to be a rejection of the overall approval process and testing. It appears to me to be outside the bounds of the science and statistics.
     

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    If they cannot predict how the virus will affect any food individual who gets infected, how can they claim to determine how effective or ineffective the vaccine is? I’m not saying it’s worthless, I’m willing to concede that it’s possible it might help those at high risk. What I’ve seen zero evidence of is that everyone would benefit from this vaccine.

    As an example…my daughter had Covid and zero symptoms. Had she been vaccinated you can bet TPTB would have claimed her to be a vaccination success story which is intellectually dishonest at best. My wife had Covid and only minor symptoms, same situation in that had she been vaccinated the claim would be that her symptoms would have been worse without it and the vaccine kept her out of the hospital. The data does not exist for these claims yet they are and have been made for the past year.

    Maybe the vaccine works, maybe not. The point is that no one can say for sure but that isn’t stopping them and that is a problem.
    And that’s the problem. If the vaccine actually worked, this wouldn’t even be a discussion. The fact people still get and spread the vaccine shows it doesn’t work. So now it’s a matter of how harsh symptoms are. That’s the case, as you have experienced, regardless of vaccination status. I still don’t see the reason for the vaccine?
     

    Alpo

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    And that’s the problem. If the vaccine actually worked, this wouldn’t even be a discussion. The fact people still get and spread the vaccine shows it doesn’t work. So now it’s a matter of how harsh symptoms are. That’s the case, as you have experienced, regardless of vaccination status. I still don’t see the reason for the vaccine?
    Apply the statistics to your comment rather than a generalization. Your generalization is entirely incorrect and misleading, amigo.

    However, with the appropriate qualifying statistics, your comment could be correct.
     

    foszoe

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    Both of those studies would seem to show the bodies immune system works as expected in that a second infection is much less severe. I think there are enough studies out there that I feel pretty sure that a second infection in a person with a normal immune system would be much less severe.

    The first study said nothing about vaccination that I read, the second claimed the vaccination would have benefits.
     

    foszoe

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    If they cannot predict how the virus will affect any food individual who gets infected, how can they claim to determine how effective or ineffective the vaccine is? I’m not saying it’s worthless, I’m willing to concede that it’s possible it might help those at high risk. What I’ve seen zero evidence of is that everyone would benefit from this vaccine.

    As an example…my daughter had Covid and zero symptoms. Had she been vaccinated you can bet TPTB would have claimed her to be a vaccination success story which is intellectually dishonest at best. My wife had Covid and only minor symptoms, same situation in that had she been vaccinated the claim would be that her symptoms would have been worse without it and the vaccine kept her out of the hospital. The data does not exist for these claims yet they are and have been made for the past year.

    Maybe the vaccine works, maybe not. The point is that no one can say for sure but that isn’t stopping them and that is a problem.
    Your cited study said 6x more effective than vaccination. That implies the vaccination has some positive effect. 6×0=0

    6*-x wouldn't support the studies conclusion.

    So if you cite the study as evidence supplying a claim it would seem to imply you accept the vaccine effectiveness>0.

    Otherwise it would seem the conclusion of the study would be meaningless
     
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