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    NKBJ

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    Once upon a time a guy posing as the leader of "the free world" stood up in the general assembly of globgov and said
    "We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories...".

    Oh come on, stop laughing.

    I just wanted to mention it to say look at how far we've come in our departure from freedom, at how far the plan has moved forward. This bank bug is a continuation of the process so spectacularly begun on 9-11-01*, to take down the America centered financial system, this phase of the op being touted as the "Great Reset". This :poop: has mucked up two decades of my life. I'm fed up.

    *Exactly as in the summer of 2001 Dr. Tatyana Koryagina informed the Russian Duma.
     

    wtburnette

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    Was going to highlight that exact line. I have a feeling that they don't want to have any inconvenient facts rear their ugly head in regards to their inoculation sacrament...

    Exactly, when you have people arguing that the only stuff being censored (or just not available) is incorrect information, we've already lost.
     

    Ingomike

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    That’s just an echo chamber. A safe space where you don’t want to be confronted with differing opinions. You may as well start a clubhouse that says “no girls allowed.”

    If people want to make wild claims without evidence to support it, go right ahead. I’ll continue to question dubious information. I don’t think I’ve been rude about it, so I don’t see why that offends you.

    Clearly you do not get the nuance of the matter. I never said anyone should make wild claims without evidence, You have not offended me. I'm trying to make a point about the oppressive majority that will not allow discussions.

    So a group of 10 people are gathered 6 are gung ho pro-vax that constantly regurgitate the narrative, they believe there are no other answers, the other 4 just want to discuss and evaluate the information looking for answers that the others do not believe in. The four are not in agreement on ANYTHING except they are looking for answers.

    The 6 have nothing to add to the discussion because they are not looking for answers and actually inhibit the discussion because they control the narrative with their certainty. If those that constantly push the official narrative were not here the discussion would be so much better and the potential answers better vetted by those looking for answers vs those whose goals are debunking answers any way they can.

    I also believe that if official narrative supporters were not here more members would participate in the search for answers, these threads have lots of readers relative to posters. Likely looking for answers...
     
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    jsharmon7

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    Clearly you do not get the nuance of the matter. I never said anyone should make wild claims without evidence, You have not offended me. I'm trying to make a point about the oppressive majority that will not allow discussions.

    So a group of 10 people are gathered 6 are gung ho pro-vax that constantly regurgitate the narrative, they believe there are no other answers, the other 4 just want to discuss and evaluate the information looking for answers that the others do not believe in. The four are not in agreement on ANYTHING except they are looking for answers.

    The 6 have nothing to add to the discussion because they are not looking for answers and actually inhibit the discussion because they control the narrative with their certainty. If those that constantly push the official narrative were not here the discussion would be so much better and the potential answers better vetted by those looking for answers vs those whose goals are debunking answers any way they can.

    I also believe that if official narrative supporters were not here more members would participate in the search for answers, these threads have lots of readers relative to posters. Likely looking for answers...
    We are getting away from the subject a bit, but I want to respond. Ok to PM you?
     

    foszoe

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    Oh look, more unwavering truth. So clearly obvious that anyone with a lick of sense can see it and know exactly what is going on and what is in their best interest. LOL

    https://www.wishtv.com/news/study-s...bKAGsHcHgOCygAP1jg5rruyh0U4JzMQPBhY363H4LsAtA
    Help me be sure I understand this study.

    It is saying that having the disease gives 6x protection against covid vs the vaccine so we know.

    It does not say the vaccine is useless but just not as effective as getting sick.

    If I am right how would you use this information?

    Go out and get sick?

    Go out get the vaccine and then get sick?

    Get the vaccine and go about as pre Covid?

    Continue to social distance in public to avoid getting sick?

    Go about as pre-covid and if you get sick you get sick?

    Your alternative answer?

    How do you use this information in making a decision about the vaccine?
     

    wtburnette

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    Help me be sure I understand this study.

    It is saying that having the disease gives 6x protection against covid vs the vaccine so we know.

    It does not say the vaccine is useless but just not as effective as getting sick.

    If I am right how would you use this information?

    Go out and get sick?

    Go out get the vaccine and then get sick?

    Get the vaccine and go about as pre Covid?

    Continue to social distance in public to avoid getting sick?

    Go about as pre-covid and if you get sick you get sick?

    Your alternative answer?

    How do you use this information in making a decision about the vaccine?

    Natural immunity gives you 6X the protection of the vax. Pretty straightforward. Is the vax useless? Not if you're in the target group (over 75/80 and/or with serious health issues). In that case, you may still get it and may still die, but more than likely if you get it you'll have milder symptoms. Notice that isn't mild symptoms, that's milder symptoms. Big difference. Again, if you're in the target group, the vax is likely beneficial. If you're not in the target group, there is no compelling reason to bother. Either way it is each individuals choice as to whether to get the vax, or at least it should be.
     

    wtburnette

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    Oh and why the heck would you continue to social distance? That made sense when we thought it was only transmitted via bodily fluids. As soon as we knew it was aerosolized, both masks and social distancing went out the window. The aerosolized virus hangs in the air for long periods of time, at least indoors where the air is more still.
     

    foszoe

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    Natural immunity gives you 6X the protection of the vax. Pretty straightforward. Is the vax useless? Not if you're in the target group (over 75/80 and/or with serious health issues). In that case, you may still get it and may still die, but more than likely if you get it you'll have milder symptoms. Notice that isn't mild symptoms, that's milder symptoms. Big difference. Again, if you're in the target group, the vax is likely beneficial. If you're not in the target group, there is no compelling reason to bother. Either way it is each individuals choice as to whether to get the vax, or at least it should be.
    While what you say may be true, that study doesn't support it.

    My questions are very specific, in a plus/minus/neutral column for getting vaccinated, what column does it belong in and why?

    What behavioral change if any does it make in your life?

    Based on this study ALONE, I would put it in the neutral column, but if I got Covid I would move it to the plus side ...like carrying a spare mag.

    Not looking for how wrong my answer is , I want to know yours.
     

    foszoe

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    Oh and why the heck would you continue to social distance? That made sense when we thought it was only transmitted via bodily fluids. As soon as we knew it was aerosolized, both masks and social distancing went out the window. The aerosolized virus hangs in the air for long periods of time, at least indoors where the air is more still.
    Because when someone around me is sick I have never been a fan of hugging, kissing, shaking hands, drinking after them, or getting in their face.
     

    wtburnette

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    While what you say may be true, that study doesn't support it.

    My questions are very specific, in a plus/minus/neutral column for getting vaccinated, what column does it belong in and why?

    What behavioral change if any does it make in your life?

    Based on this study ALONE, I would put it in the neutral column, but if I got Covid I would move it to the plus side ...like carrying a spare mag.

    Not looking for how wrong my answer is , I want to know yours.

    Based on this study alone, I say the same thing I said above. If I were in the target group that might have a serious chance of issues with the China virus, I would seriously consider getting the vax, even knowing that the efficacy may wear off after 4 - 6 months. At least it would provide some protection. As I am not in the target group, I wouldn't touch the vax with a 10 foot pole unless I had no choice. Not trying to convince you one way or the other, just letting you know my thoughts.

    Because when someone around me is sick I have never been a fan of hugging, kissing, shaking hands, drinking after them, or getting in their face.

    So you're talking about giving someone wide berth, which isn't exactly social distancing. Social distancing is the idea that keeping 6 feet between you and someone sick with COVID will provide you with some sort of protection. It doesn't. There's evidence that even keeping aisles apart from someone who is infected won't do you any good. The best thing is for sick people to stay home. If you're worried further, stay home and have your groceries (etc) delivered.

    I'm just glad I'm not in the target group as I haven't changed my habits at all since the start of the scamdemic. I'm not overly concerned about getting the virus. I've continued to shake hands, not wear a mask and not social distance the entire time. On the other hand, the times that I've felt ill, I've stayed home as much as possible and when I couldn't, I stayed as far away from other people as I could.
     

    Keith_Indy

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    Help me be sure I understand this study.

    It is saying that having the disease gives 6x protection against covid vs the vaccine so we know.

    It does not say the vaccine is useless but just not as effective as getting sick.

    If I am right how would you use this information?

    Go out and get sick?

    Go out get the vaccine and then get sick?

    Get the vaccine and go about as pre Covid?

    Continue to social distance in public to avoid getting sick?

    Go about as pre-covid and if you get sick you get sick?

    Your alternative answer?

    How do you use this information in making a decision about the vaccine?

    I've said elsewhere, I'm about at the point where I'd rather take my chances getting COVID then get the vaccine. Of course, I only know 1 family (1 mother, 1 child 11yo) that has COVID currently, so chance of deliberate contact is minimal.

    This study isn't changing my mind about getting the vaccine, that's for sure.

    I will still avoid people who are obviously sick, just as I did before COVID.

    Ultimately, I'd rather ride it out and do my best not to get either COVID or the vaxx.
     
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