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    chipbennett

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    There is a group of anti-vaxxers that don't want any vaccine. They have been around since long before wuhu.
    There is another group of skeptics for this particular wuhu vaccine.
    This vaccine deserves more skepticism than most. Not because of some of the wild conspiracy theories but because it is a new type of vaccine and the development and testing were rushed and and because of some known liars pushing it. There are real risks associated with this vaccine.
    Some of the skeptics will get vaccinated anyway and some won't. It is up to them and that is our way.
    No. This is untrue. Development of mRNA vaccines goes back 30 years. The primary reason no mRNA vaccine had been sought for market authorization before now has little to do with efficacy or safety (the inherent safety issues have been overcome), but for a much more mundane reason: because it simply wasn't profitable, as compared to other types of vaccines, or as a novel vaccine. The pandemic changed that calculus.
     

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    No. This is untrue. Development of mRNA vaccines goes back 30 years. The primary reason no mRNA vaccine had been sought for market authorization before now has little to do with efficacy or safety (the inherent safety issues have been overcome), but for a much more mundane reason: because it simply wasn't profitable, as compared to other types of vaccines, or as a novel vaccine. The pandemic changed that calculus.
    Oh crap. It is new as far as being stuck in the public arms. That is what we are talking about.
     

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    "It was approved for medical use in the United States in 1998.[3] It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines.[8] It is available as a generic medication.[4] "


    But the FDA approved it for medical use in the U.S. in 1998. :n00b:
    That is approval as an immunosuppressant. Morning sickness was an off label use and it was originally marketed as a tranquilizer/sleeping pill. It never was approved for use in the US at that time (early 60s), and the scandal helped prompt the rigorous drug approval process that used to characterize the FDA
     

    printcraft

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    Hey just heard on the radio that they have lambda lambda lambda variation in Texaz... so get those shots kids, roll up those sleeves.
     

    DoggyDaddy

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    Allegedly, I was a Thalidomide baby (born 1959). Mom was 37, which was pretty late in life to be having a baby back then. I'm the youngest, needless to say. But anyhow, I turned out just fine.

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    JettaKnight

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    There is a group of anti-vaxxers that don't want any vaccine. They have been around since long before wuhu.
    There is another group of skeptics for this particular wuhu vaccine.
    This vaccine deserves more skepticism than most. Not because of some of the wild conspiracy theories but because it is a new type of vaccine and the development and testing were rushed and and because of some known liars pushing it. There are real risks associated with this vaccine.
    Some of the skeptics will get vaccinated anyway and some won't. It is up to them and that is our way.
    That's totally reasonable.

    FWIW, the J&J is a "traditional" vaccine, not a mRNA one. AFAIK, the Novavax isn't an mRNA (Hough could speak to this), but it's not approved yet.


    As to the lying - yeah, the continual mixed messages, sweeping things under the rug, and tagging people as conspiratorial doesn't help. (see the article I linked).
     

    JettaKnight

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    Massive vaccination campaign covering a broad age range: Vaccinations for Gulf War I and II

    Vaccine for old, high risk individuals: Annual flu vaccines
    The Gulf War vaccinations were a pretty limited set. FWIW, I didn't even know such a thing existed.

    Flu vaccines are somewhat more limited. Anyone know what the percentages were for those? I personally never got one.
     
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