New Black Panthers March through Indianapolis

[foszoe]

Who exactly was "their target audience?"

Anyone that has served would not be impressed. Like a bunch of kindergarteners meandering to lunch.

All of what you say may be true.

Fringe/radical groups don't tend to have the most impressive IQ's at the marching level anyway.

 

[Leo]

I confess to not watching the whole video.

Claiming to be the promised children of the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a real fantasy,

Have they ever been to Tel Aviv or Jerusalem? If they believe they are Semitic, why are they not following Levitical laws of self discipline and justice?

That said, the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob does make an open invitation to all men to come to faith and to live peaceably in obedience to the Bible. The demonstration and the bull horn guys don't look like they are looking for that.

 

[Leadeye]

I would think the disgruntled will find pulling Victory's statue off of her plinth more than a little difficult.

 

[JAL]

As for me, I can both oppose the mistreatment of African-Americans by the government (wasn't right then, is not right now) and the adulterated Marxism-Leninism of the New Black Panther Party.

As with BLM, their objective isn't about any form of racial equality (not to be confused with "equity", an entirely different concept). It's about The Revolution -- the violent Anarcho-Marxist one. Find a socio-economic underclass demographic, convince them they are victims of inescapable oppression by overlords exploiting them for personal wealth. Then indoctrinate them with Marxist dogma that the only path out of their abject misery is overthrowing the existing socio-economic and political institutions. Their stated goal is expropriation and redistribution of the oppressor's unjust wealth to them in reparation for being exploited as peons, serfs and slaves, bound to the "plantation" or "manor" and its overlords. You now have a revolutionary army to conduct an overthrow a government and its economic institutions thinking they can achieve social and economic equity by doing so. These are the ignorant, useful idiot cannon fodder.

The first step is finding a demographic you can convince is being oppressed and exploited to generate unjust enrichment for those possessing (greater) property and wealth. The promise held out to them is socio-economic and political "equity" with the expropriation and redistribution of wealth. As already stated, "equality" and "equity" are two different concepts. "Equality" is equal opportunity, the outcome of which is determined by ambition, ability and to some extent luck. By comparison, "equity" doesn't concern itself with opportunity or ability, it promises equal outcome regardless of ambition, ability or luck. "Equity" is the promise of Anarchism, Marxism, and Socialism. The "equity" promise works until you run out of everyone else's wealth you're pillaging with expropriation as there is zero incentive to generate wealth. This is the reason for the abject failure of Marxist-Socialist states.

The PRC is no longer a true Marxist-Socialist state in the sense of what occurred with the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, and is continuing with the DPRK, Venezuela, Cuba, Angola, Mozambique, Guinea-Bissau, etc. It's a single party dictatorship with a controlled economy and a small class of wealthy oligarchs. They have allowed enough of a class of bureaucratic and management professionals under them enjoying a reasonable standard of living, that they can keep control over the rest of the country that's living in abject poverty. They understood the USSR's failure, and attained their economic power by becoming the world's manufacturer of just about everything, relying on billions in a poverty class for a cheaper labor cost than anywhere else in the world. It's maintained by the use of massive military force to immediately suppress any protest, demonstration or "strike" that questions or challenges CCP single-party rule and its economic control. The 1989 Tienanmen Square Massacre was a very clear demonstration of this. It continues most notably with with military suppression in Tibet and suppression of demonstrations in Hong Kong. Political or economic dissent is not tolerated.

 

[jwamplerusa]

It was defaced about a year ago declaring it was a monument to imperialism - among other things. Typical Marxist rhetoric along with much of what was being screeched in this demonstration.

Let there be no mistake, the New BPP is another Marxist organization embracing a combination of Leninism and Maoism. Even the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and Anti-Defamation League (ADL) have distanced themselves significantly from the New BPP (aka NBPP) declaring them a Black Separatist Hate Group. The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights agrees.

This isn't the original BPP founded in the 1966 by Bobby Seale and Huey P. Newton in Oakland, CA. The original BPP "open carry" and intimidation tactics stalking police there while openly armed resulted in the 1967 repeal of Commiefornia's open carry law. Huey Newton killed an Oakland PD officer in 1967. Eldridge Cleaver (remember him?) lead a 1968 ambush of Oakland PD that wounded two officers and resulted in BPP Treasurer Bobby Hutton being killed. Other members were in numerous fatal firefights with police. Their size and power reached a peak in 1970 when mainstream press began publishing exposes on their radical politics and violence. The even more radical Black Liberation Army was created by Cleaver after he was expelled from the BPP by Newton in 1970. The BPP started extorting Oakland businesses and engaging in drug dealing for money by 1972, losing more popularity. In 1974, Newton went into exile in Cuba to evade prosecution. When he returned in 1977, it went downhill further with Newton's violence against BPP member including its women. By 1980 the BPP was down to 27 members and completely dissolved in 1982 after Newton was caught up in a scandal embezzling money from the BPP to fuel his drug use. Newton was murdered in West Oakland in 1989 by [wait for it] a black radical member of the Black Guerilla Family, a Marxist-Leninist narcotics prison gang. Motive for the murder was advancement in the gang and gaining a crack cocaine franchise. He was convicted of First Degree Murder and sentenced to 32 yrs in prison. If sill alive, he's out by now.

The New BPP was formed in 1989 in Dallas, TX, appropriating the organization's name. Bobby Seale has denounced them as xenophobic, and the NBPP has threatened surviving members of the original BPP with violence if they continue to criticize the NBPP. Members have engaged in overt voter intimidation at polling places. One 2008 incident in Philadelphia was shown on CNN with Bobby Seale admitting to CNN the NBPP member wielding a police baton while shouting racial slurs at voters could be considered overt intimidation. Suffice it this New Black Panther Party that showed up in Indianapolis is an anathema that even the radical left doesn't want to be associated with. These are not a bunch of "posers". Given the intimidation and credible threats they've made over the past two decades, many in person, including to former BPP members, they are inherently dangerous and are spoiling for a fight to incite The Revolution.

Know your enemy.

John

JAL, you are amazingly knowledgeable on this subject area, and for that I thank you for your input.

I utterly failed to properly assess the potential threat the NBPP represents, as I simply lumped them in with the NFAC crowd. As has been said often, don't underestimate your enemy.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I would think the disgruntled will find pulling Victory's statue off of her plinth more than a little difficult.

Meh. My cousin did it.

 

[judgecrater]

How I do miss living in a Leftist city.

 

[grillak]

It was defaced about a year ago declaring it was a monument to imperialism - among other things. Typical Marxist rhetoric along with much of what was being screeched in this demonstration.

Let there be no mistake, the New BPP is another Marxist organization embracing a combination of Leninism and Maoism. Even the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and Anti-Defamation League (ADL) have distanced themselves significantly from the New BPP (aka NBPP) declaring them a Black Separatist Hate Group. The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights agrees.

This isn't the original BPP founded in the 1966 by Bobby Seale and Huey P. Newton in Oakland, CA. The original BPP "open carry" and intimidation tactics stalking police there while openly armed resulted in the 1967 repeal of Commiefornia's open carry law. Huey Newton killed an Oakland PD officer in 1967. Eldridge Cleaver (remember him?) lead a 1968 ambush of Oakland PD that wounded two officers and resulted in BPP Treasurer Bobby Hutton being killed. Other members were in numerous fatal firefights with police. Their size and power reached a peak in 1970 when mainstream press began publishing exposes on their radical politics and violence. The even more radical Black Liberation Army was created by Cleaver after he was expelled from the BPP by Newton in 1970. The BPP started extorting Oakland businesses and engaging in drug dealing for money by 1972, losing more popularity. In 1974, Newton went into exile in Cuba to evade prosecution. When he returned in 1977, it went downhill further with Newton's violence against BPP member including its women. By 1980 the BPP was down to 27 members and completely dissolved in 1982 after Newton was caught up in a scandal embezzling money from the BPP to fuel his drug use. Newton was murdered in West Oakland in 1989 by [wait for it] a black radical member of the Black Guerilla Family, a Marxist-Leninist narcotics prison gang. Motive for the murder was advancement in the gang and gaining a crack cocaine franchise. He was convicted of First Degree Murder and sentenced to 32 yrs in prison. If sill alive, he's out by now.

The New BPP was formed in 1989 in Dallas, TX, appropriating the organization's name. Bobby Seale has denounced them as xenophobic, and the NBPP has threatened surviving members of the original BPP with violence if they continue to criticize the NBPP. Members have engaged in overt voter intimidation at polling places. One 2008 incident in Philadelphia was shown on CNN with Bobby Seale admitting to CNN the NBPP member wielding a police baton while shouting racial slurs at voters could be considered overt intimidation. Suffice it this New Black Panther Party that showed up in Indianapolis is an anathema that even the radical left doesn't want to be associated with. These are not a bunch of "posers". Given the intimidation and credible threats they've made over the past two decades, many in person, including to former BPP members, they are inherently dangerous and are spoiling for a fight to incite The Revolution.

Know your enemy.

John

this is some good history.

the original bpp was very much a marxist orginisation. but...they did do a lot of good within the black community. they also brought a lot of discriminatory and outright racists laws and policy to light. unfortunately they doomed themselves by rallying around marxism.

today's nbpp are a bunch of clowns. they do nothing but agitate and divide instead of educating and empowering black people. the originals built schools, shops, clinics, and daycares. at least they tried to DO something for their people.

there will be a revolution. the revolution will not be televised.

anyone who has to get on tv and threaten and intimidate anyone based on the color of their skin is not a revolutionary...they are clowns looking for attention.

or as my sifu would say..."monkeys dancing for peanuts". the only people who should be wary of them are the black people they claim to represent

 

[grillak]

See my earlier posting about the original BPP and the New BPP --
https://www.indianagunowners.com/th...rough-indianapolis.509930/page-2#post-8818843

To explain more . . .
They're a very radical Marxist-Leninist-Maoist organization wanting to violently incite "The Revolution" to form a separate black communist nation. From what I saw in the video of this event, it's grandstanding with a show of radical black power in the heart of a very red state of white supremacist oppressors and plantation owners (aka employers) enslaving the black man (aka oppressed employees) to get mainstream media attention for recruiting purposes -- because they can make their presence and power felt in the middle of KKK-land with heavily armed force and therefore are invincible. It's all about the Class Struggle (read Karl Marx) that can only be won violently. They are violent and have been for over two decades. They aren't a group of wannabe posers. They're the real deal, and inherently dangerous.

John

they are not as dangerous to white people as they want white people to believe. i am, as a black man6 more likely to be harmed or targeted by them than any other race.

the truly dangerous groups are the ones you will not see posturing and grandstanding for likes and shares.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

or as my sifu would say...

Wing Chun by chance?

 

[grillak]

I confess to not watching the whole video.

Claiming to be the promised children of the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a real fantasy,

Have they ever been to Tel Aviv or Jerusalem? If they believe they are Semitic, why are they not following Levitical laws of self discipline and justice?

That said, the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob does make an open invitation to all men to come to faith and to live peaceably in obedience to the Bible. The demonstration and the bull horn guys don't look like they are looking for that.

they are in league with the new isrealites.

if you limit god to a color, doctrine, or race, you are lost.

 

[grillak]

Wing Chun by chance?

tong bei

 

[Leo]

they are in league with the new isrealites.

if you limit god to a color, doctrine, or race, you are lost.

I do not think you and I are on opposite sides. I certainly never put GOD Almighty into any race equation, and boldly stated that the Grace of GOD is available to all peoples.

What exactly is a "New Isrealite"?

I know all peoples are connected to the bloodlines of Shem, Japheth, and Ham. University of Tel Aviv isolated and recorded the dna markers probably 25 years ago.

I know some about the offspring of Jacob, soon after called Israel, by nearly 4000 years of history. I also know some about Egypt from history. I actually studied some literature of antiquity under a Coptic Egyptian, interesting man.

As an Italian, I may greatly admire a historical figure from other cultures and races, but I can never rightly claim to be a descendant of that figure, even if I chose to follow a teaching or lifestyle.

 

[rhamersley]

What exactly is a "New Isrealite"

I think he's referring the "Black Hebrew Israelites". Heard the term and that they are viewed as deeply racist, but don't know much about them.

 

[Leo]

I think he's referring the "Black Hebrew Israelites". Heard the term and that they are viewed as deeply racist, but don't know much about them.

Thanks, this is the first I heard of that group.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I know all peoples are connected to the bloodlines of Shem, Japheth, and Ham.

Given my love for bacon, I'm guessing I'm from the Ham bloodline.

 

[PistolBob]

Well racism is still alive at the BP's ... good to know.

 

[TheGhostRider]

The only way I know how to deal with a group like this is sadly wait until they do something stupid and then present to them an overwhelming organized counter force.
You know…
Sometimes the best offense is a well trained and organized defense.
Problem with that is more often than not when violence erupts by groups like this law-enforcement is overwhelmed and outnumbered and can’t respond accordingly and too damn proud to ask for civilian back up.
I still would like to see local law enforcement create mutual support groups with trusted civilians.
Back up if you will.

 

[grillak]

I think he's referring the "Black Hebrew Israelites". Heard the term and that they are viewed as deeply racist, but don't know much about them.

yup. their claim is that blacks were the original people of isreal. they try to base it on human migratory patterns and the descriptions of people of that time. some of their basic premise is backed by some researchers (for what that's worth), but their major claim is that jesus was black and portaying him as white is the a way of oppressing blacks.

they are obnoxiuos & disrespectful. they will get in your face if you disagree with their beliefs.

i've had a few run ins with them. i p*** them of by telling them their god is week because they can only define him by a color. almosr passed blows with one...until he realized i stand with the strength of my creator because he can't be defined or limited by race.

they perform live on most warm days on 38th & keystone for those who need a good laugh.

 

[JAL]

this is some good history.

the original bpp was very much a marxist orginisation. but...they did do a lot of good within the black community. they also brought a lot of discriminatory and outright racists laws and policy to light. unfortunately they doomed themselves by rallying around marxism.

today's nbpp are a bunch of clowns. they do nothing but agitate and divide instead of educating and empowering black people. the originals built schools, shops, clinics, and daycares. at least they tried to DO something for their people.

there will be a revolution. the revolution will not be televised.

anyone who has to get on tv and threaten and intimidate anyone based on the color of their skin is not a revolutionary...they are clowns looking for attention.

or as my sifu would say..."monkeys dancing for peanuts". the only people who should be wary of them are the black people they claim to represent

Much ground to cover . . .

You've made some decent points about what Newton, Seale, et al. and did in inner city Oakland that was omitted. However, their violence toward police in particular plus direct armed intimidation of others was their undoing with the mainstream press and general public at the time. Newton killed an Oakland PD officer and Eldridge Cleaver ambushed two others - plus there were numerous shootouts between (original) BPP with police with fatalities. From a public relations standpoint the BPP had been gaining some traction with the general public. Then they shot themselves in the foot with the armed violence. Cleaver was, as mentioned before, booted from BPP by Newton over a significant disagreement they could not resolve, resulting in the much more violent Black Liberation Army (and the convicted NJ cop-killer woman still in Cuban asylum). That was their downfall that began with a slow decline circa 1970. I cannot ignore that. You didn't mention, nor did I earlier that Bobby Seale ran for Oakland Mayor in 1973, coming in 2nd.among nine candidates. Elements of the Ten Points Program he ran on are clearly Marxist, and quite a few are currently part of BLM and Matters for Black Lives (M4BL). BLM is the largest part of M4BL; their circa 2016 manifesto is BLM's demands. They've buried it since then as too many people in media and the general public started looking it up. It was exposing their Marxist agenda. (The Wayback Machine Internet Archive is your friend; I read it before they buried it.)

I was living in Arizona in Phx attending HS and then living at and attending ASU (in Tempe) at the time all this went down. I vividly remember the mainstream news about Newton, Seale and Cleaver and thinking they had so much potential promise for real change that was completely squandered. I was still at ASU when Newton et al. began extorting Oakland businesses and dealing drugs to make money for the BPP and was concluded it was their death knell. I was majoring in Political Science at the time as an undergrad (for Public Administration, an ASU grad school strength) before changing to General Physics after three years (radical change but I was happier with it). These kinds of current events with their political implications were very relevant. Some of why I know salient details about them (because of their Marxism).

Bobby Seale now, in his later years after the demise of the BPP and Newton's murder is a much different man than he was. Whether that mitigates what he was in 1967-1982 I won't delve into here as it's well beyond the scope of this thread. I don't want to be contentious about the original BPP, but I'm of the opinion the violence they committed cannot be ignored as it was their ultimate undoing and they were oblivious to the mainstream media and public support they lost as a result.

they are not as dangerous to white people as they want white people to believe. i am, as a black man6 more likely to be harmed or targeted by them than any other race.

the truly dangerous groups are the ones you will not see posturing and grandstanding for likes and shares.

Read my comments about the "Propaganda of the Deed" tactic dating back to the mid 1800's and formalized about 30 years later in 1881. Their demonstration wasn't about mainstream "likes" and "shares". It's about recruiting and radicalizing a specific demographic of young inner-city impoverished blacks, not just in Indianapolis, but in major cities across the US. They don't care how you, I, or others on this forum react to it. We're not the target demographic. We can debate about how effective it might be, but that must be done in the context and mindset of their target audience.

Yes, they are likely to be more a danger to blacks who oppose them, but they're also the thugs who show up at demonstrations to incite them to destructive violence with looting and arson, and they also commit deliberately violent acts attempting to incite violent law enforcement responses to them. I could give some examples of the methods used but this is already too long. Watch extensive riot confrontation footage in detail and you'll see some of the tactics used. Suffice they want the violence. The more, the better, as it puts them closer to The Revolution - the violent one they believe is required.

John