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  • KG1

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    The Democrats, whether it be on the courts or otherwise very rarely waiver on anything while the Republicans perpetually can't get their **** together.
     

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    I'm still not sure what the audit is hoping to accomplish.

    Federal officials aren't present for it, afaik, so anything discovered will be immediately discounted. People are taking data devices home with them and returning them in the morning. All sorts of ridiculous stunts are being pulled that will almost certainly invalidate any findings.

    The longer this goes on the longer it seems like more of a political stunt than actually trying to produce proof of wrong doing by democrats.
    And I'm still waiting to hear what someone thinks the outcome of this would be even if it goes 100% as they want it to?
     

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    I'm still not sure what the audit is hoping to accomplish.

    Federal officials aren't present for it, afaik, so anything discovered will be immediately discounted. People are taking data devices home with them and returning them in the morning. All sorts of ridiculous stunts are being pulled that will almost certainly invalidate any findings.

    The longer this goes on the longer it seems like more of a political stunt than actually trying to produce proof of wrong doing by democrats.
    And I'm still waiting to hear what someone thinks the outcome of this would be even if it goes 100% as they want it to?
    Well, I for one would consider it proof positive of fraud on a state level that would suggest it happened in more than just As. That's if it went 100% as they want it as you put it.
    It would prove bidiot is an illegitimate president......
    And I would hope the SCOTUS would finally hear a case on election fraud
     

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    I'm still not sure what the audit is hoping to accomplish.

    Federal officials aren't present for it, afaik, so anything discovered will be immediately discounted. People are taking data devices home with them and returning them in the morning. All sorts of ridiculous stunts are being pulled that will almost certainly invalidate any findings.

    The longer this goes on the longer it seems like more of a political stunt than actually trying to produce proof of wrong doing by democrats.
    And I'm still waiting to hear what someone thinks the outcome of this would be even if it goes 100% as they want it to?

    Feds are not involved in elections. Why would Feds be there? The constitution gives responsibility for elections to state legislatures. This is run by the state legislature.

    What "stunts" are being pulled?

    So even a guy like you is falling prey to the democrat stall tactics.

    The outcome will result in a galvanizing of conservatives to clean up elections and focus on winning not petty intra issues. In other words get JK to say the Dems did wrong. LOL
     

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    Well, I for one would consider it proof positive of fraud on a state level that would suggest it happened in more than just As. That's if it went 100% as they want it as you put it.
    It would prove bidiot is an illegitimate president......
    And I would hope the SCOTUS would finally hear a case on election fraud

    Okay, but lets follow it to a logical conclusion.

    What is the end goal, should enough fraud be proven to invalidate the election? Trump can't legally re-enter the oval office on those grounds.

    As far as my understanding of the law goes, if fraud was proven and the election was invalidated, Pelosi would become president. And we'd be saddled with a Pelosi presidency until 2024, unless there's some provision for a special election.
     

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    WOW!!! A shadowy organization ran by former FBI counsel trying to influence election audits.


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    Tombs

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    Feds are not involved in elections. Why would Feds be there? The constitution gives responsibility for elections to state legislatures. This is run by the state legislature.

    What "stunts" are being pulled?

    So even a guy like you is falling prey to the democrat stall tactics.

    The outcome will result in a galvanizing of conservatives to clean up elections and focus on winning not petty intra issues. In other words get JK to say the Dems did wrong. LOL

    So the only goal is even more polarization? I don't think that's going to accomplish anything. McConnell will deny it no matter what happens. GOP establishment will deny it no matter what happens. Dems will deny it no matter what happens.

    3/4 of the republican base already believes the election was a fraud, 1/4 of dems believe the election was a fraud.

    It just doesn't make much sense to me, as all the people who can be convinced already are convinced.

    I'm pretty sure they also know they will lose any future chance of winning if they don't lock down elections, whether they're willing to publicly say as much is another matter. I don't see the GOP pushing for more mail in voting.
     

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    County officials claim the have no admin access to the machines or software. If that is true they subcontracted the administration of the election to Dominion which likely violates the law. I'm betting they did have access but are trying to avoid blame for what may be coming out...


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    So the only goal is even more polarization? I don't think that's going to accomplish anything. McConnell will deny it no matter what happens. GOP establishment will deny it no matter what happens. Dems will deny it no matter what happens.

    3/4 of the republican base already believes the election was a fraud, 1/4 of dems believe the election was a fraud.

    It just doesn't make much sense to me, as all the people who can be convinced already are convinced.

    Well I want to know ANYTHING we can about this election. Sorry if you don't like it. F*** polarization. It is galvanization we need.
     

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    So the only goal is even more polarization? I don't think that's going to accomplish anything. McConnell will deny it no matter what happens. GOP establishment will deny it no matter what happens. Dems will deny it no matter what happens.

    3/4 of the republican base already believes the election was a fraud, 1/4 of dems believe the election was a fraud.

    It just doesn't make much sense to me, as all the people who can be convinced already are convinced.

    I'm pretty sure they also know they will lose any future chance of winning if they don't lock down elections, whether they're willing to publicly say as much is another matter. I don't see the GOP pushing for more mail in voting.
    If nothing else it will begin the process of shutting down the 'Trump had many chances to make his case and no fraud was found' line of argumentation

    To allow the Democrats to get away with provable election fraud in the belief that that will somehow lead to less polarization is just incomprehensible. They're not interested in getting along, they're interested in power BAMN

    If the Democrats want less polarization, they can drop all the delaying and obfuscation tactics and let the chips fall where they may. I won't be holding my breath. Next you'll be telling us 'We're better than that' :rolleyes:
     

    Tombs

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    If nothing else it will begin the process of shutting down the 'Trump had many chances to make his case and no fraud was found' line of argumentation

    To allow the Democrats to get away with provable election fraud in the belief that that will somehow lead to less polarization is just incomprehensible. They're not interested in getting along, they're interested in power BAMN

    If the Democrats want less polarization, they can drop all the delaying and obfuscation tactics and let the chips fall where they may. I won't be holding my breath. Next you'll be telling us 'We're better than that' :rolleyes:

    No, I think you get me entirely wrong. I just don't see any point in fighting battles with foregone conclusions. There's no one to fight, because they don't have to fight on this front.
    Democrats have already created a separate reality where Russian spies are behind every lamp post, Trump is literally Hitler, and cancelling American citizens for speaking freely is the morally virtuous thing to do.

    Putting this level of effort into getting voter ID in every state, outlawing mail in ballots, and strengthening the abilities of poll watchers, would be a far more fruitful endeavor.

    But above all else, attaining political power to achieve these goals is the highest goal. As without that, none of this means anything.
     

    Magyars

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    Okay, but lets follow it to a logical conclusion.

    What is the end goal, should enough fraud be proven to invalidate the election? Trump can't legally re-enter the oval office on those grounds.

    As far as my understanding of the law goes, if fraud was proven and the election was invalidated, Pelosi would become president. And we'd be saddled with a Pelosi presidency until 2024, unless there's some provision for a special election.
    I believe the possibilities are as endless as your imagination if fraud is proven at a National level to overturn the election.

    We've all heard about unintended consequences?
     

    NKBJ

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    The crooks are trying to interfere with the Maricopa County audit?
    Wow, who'd a thunk.
     

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    invalidated, Pelosi would become president. And we'd be saddled with a Pelosi presidency until 2024
    I’ve been pondering for some time if she is actually helping the audit movement in some way. She knows she will never get elected president but I’m sure she would love the power.
     

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    Ingomike

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    Just what are they hiding? Why would they work so hard to stop an audit that should show the results they certified? This is our government if they have nothing to hide why not show it? They don't have constitutional protections for their data, it belongs to all of us. Why? Why? Why?


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    Ingomike

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    Just what are they hiding? Why would they work so hard to stop an audit that should show the results they certified? This is our government if they have nothing to hide why not show it? They don't have constitutional protections for their data, it belongs to all of us. Why? Why? Why?


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    And I am going to answer my own question from two perspectives.

    The dem supporters are afraid of what audits might uncover and dem operatives are afraid what they did will be uncovered.

    They have dispatched over 100 dem lawyers to stop this audit.

    The sheriff was involved in intimidation.

    The DOJ has threatened to intervene.

    All to keep the people from auditing the work of the election officials.

    I now believe all election results, tabulations, ballots, chain of custody documentation, everything for every election should be on the county website within 48 hours of certification. Any outside group should have all the data necessary to conduct an independent audit right from the county website.
     
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