Is there any way to do a NICS background check without the actual purchase of a firearms?

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  • DoggyDaddy

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    How did they ever collect it? You'd need to own a gun store if you were trying to rob me like that.
    I don't know, but apparently they did. I thought it was ridiculous, but I think the store in question had a less than stellar clientele and had a higher than average denial rate.
     

    maxwelhse

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    I don't know, but apparently they did. I thought it was ridiculous, but I think the store in question had a less than stellar clientele and had a higher than average denial rate.

    I can kinda see charging for the NICS check because I bet a lot of people do think that today is the day they won't get caught, but charging a customer for being a customer seems a step beyond. I worked retail for a long time and heaps of people will tire kick forever without buying anything. Anyone who has ever sold on Craigslist knows that. It's just part of the game.

    Anyhow... Crazy stuff.
     

    DoggyDaddy

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    I can kinda see charging for the NICS check because I bet a lot of people do think that today is the day they won't get caught, but charging a customer for being a customer seems a step beyond. I worked retail for a long time and heaps of people will tire kick forever without buying anything. Anyone who has ever sold on Craigslist knows that. It's just part of the game.

    Anyhow... Crazy stuff.
    Oh I think restocking fees are all BS anyhow, no matter who does it.
     

    maxwelhse

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    Oh I think restocking fees are all BS anyhow, no matter who does it.

    I will accept it with a special order item where I would really be shafting the retailer if I didn't buy it. Weird color or odd size or whatever. We saw this a lot at Home Depot, but rarely actually enforced it. If you custom ordered an entire house of the wrong siding/floor/counters/etc, you were paying the fee.

    Custom mixed a gallon of paint and just not in love with it? Ehhh... No biggie, but don't tell anybody.
     

    DadSmith

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    This seems to come up every few months and it seems the vast majority of guys we rarely hear from again. That leads me to believe that the situation that you believe exists (no charges in your case), is true. If it weren't, it seems most of the guys in similar spots would be back here asking how to fight it. Go buy your firearm. If denied, chase down the issue. No one is going to kick your door in over a failed NICS check.
    Unless you blatantly lie on it you might get knock at the door.
     

    Colt556

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    Some people know they won’t pass the background check but want to try it anyway and hope for the best. At one shop I worked at we collected the funds for the gun before the 4473 was actually run just to make sure the buyer was serious and if they were denied we could collect the processing fee. A lot of those customers also wanted their money back if they were delayed, but that didn’t fly well either. Most people were understanding about it but there were a few tense interactions when someone was denied. Once a check was run that number was attached to the 4473 and the Feds could inquire about it at any time. The FFL has to keep it on file and can’t just discard it.
     

    DadSmith

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    Some people know they won’t pass the background check but want to try it anyway and hope for the best. At one shop I worked at we collected the funds for the gun before the 4473 was actually run just to make sure the buyer was serious and if they were denied we could collect the processing fee. A lot of those customers also wanted their money back if they were delayed, but that didn’t fly well either. Most people were understanding about it but there were a few tense interactions when someone was denied. Once a check was run that number was attached to the 4473 and the Feds could inquire about it at any time. The FFL has to keep it on file and can’t just discard it.
    Let's say a felon goes and tries to buy a firearm. He lies on the form. Does anyone go after said felon or does he walk away free as a bird?
     

    Colt556

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    Let's say a felon goes and tries to buy a firearm. He lies on the form. Does anyone go after said felon or does he walk away free as a bird?
    They never tell us why the denial was issued. It’s either Proceed, Delay or Deny. We have no police powers so we couldn’t do anything anyway. I’ve had an agent tell me that they do follow up, sometimes, and go knocking on doors of people who lie on the 4473 since that in itself is a felony. All the FFL really knows is what the customer puts down on the form and the results of the check.
     

    DadSmith

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    They never tell us why the denial was issued. It’s either Proceed, Delay or Deny. We have no police powers so we couldn’t do anything anyway. I’ve had an agent tell me that they do follow up, sometimes, and go knocking on doors of people who lie on the 4473 since that in itself is a felony. All the FFL really knows is what the customer puts down on the form and the results of the check.
    They should enforce it if a felon does lie on the form. As you said it's a felony to lie on it. It should be enforced as part of the real reason we have the checks in the first place. If they are not going to enforce it. Get rid of NICS.
     

    maxwelhse

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    They should enforce it if a felon does lie on the form. As you said it's a felony to lie on it. It should be enforced as part of the real reason we have the checks in the first place. If they are not going to enforce it. Get rid of NICS.
    You think the feds care about actually preventing crime?

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    I seem to remember a thread about some gun store that not only did that, but also charged a non-refundable re-stocking fee if there was a denial. :nuts:

    When your local gun stores have this kind of policy, it should be a clear message that you should plan on moving. It means you don't live in a very nice area.
     
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