Right, gunfighting (or whatever) is mixed martial arts, it isn't boxing.How about: The situation should drive the tactics...
Right, gunfighting (or whatever) is mixed martial arts, it isn't boxing.How about: The situation should drive the tactics...
How about: The situation should drive the tactics...
What scenarios should I be mentally thinking through where I would want to draw to a ready position?
I should have been more clear. Since I practice draw to target. I guess I do think of a "ready" position but that would be a strong arm grip established with the gun holstered if I thought I perceived a threat but was unsure. I can and do mentally envision that scenario. For a ready position like those in the video, I could see that it could be possible where I had engaged a threat that was no longer a threat but thought there could be another threat. That probability seems rather small for me but it is a possibility.Scenario would be that you really want the gun to be in your hand but not point the gun at someone. Pointing a loaded firearm at someone is a felony. I get it, sort of a slippery slope. But in eye of public opinion drawing to a low ready and giving a command may look different to the guy with a cell phone camera.
I thought The Range Forum would be safe from getting political.Unless you are BLM/ANTIFA...
One trainer told me a long time ago that if you need to present but not shoot you expel fear and uncertainty but make great photo ops. He went on to say that if any of the caution is on your mind while prancing, you had better know the fundamentals of gun craft. That was in 1975.I've been playing around with these the past few days after following along with this thread. I really like the high temple index in the Hackathorn video, for a few reasons.
I live in a second story apartment, so low ready is out of the question without sweeping the downstairs neighbors. I can't assume any downward angle is a safe direction. Same for certain walls. Even the muzzle being parallel to the floor risks sweeping folks next door. There's no one above me, so muzzle up is the best option. Hopefully this will only be a concern for a few more months, but that's another conversation.
Second, as Ken used as an example when he demonstrated it, I do serve as a first responder at my church. I don't have any security responsibility because we have several off duty LEOs in the building during services, but they don't hang out in the auditorium.
We have about a 3-350 seat auditorium with a floor level and raised, theater style seating in the back half. I like to sit at the top of the rear section, in the last row on the end of the aisle so I can look down on the congregation and keep an eye out for any type of commotion or medical emergency. If there were ever a shooting in the main auditorium I would have an excellent angle from that position to engage a threat. But, if I had to move, nearly every single person in the auditorium would be below my elevation level. At low ready, I'd be pointing at people's heads in the rows below. No bueno.
One trainer told me a long time ago that if you need to present but not shoot you expel fear and uncertainty...1975
and part of this is why the silent stealth mode of presentation can be important.But that's akin to "I simply had to shoot because I already drew my gun". Which is a load of horse crap. Absolute stomped on, rained on, wet, soupy horse crap.
As if situations aren't fluid. As if situations don't change in fractions of a second.
Oh man, this dog is charging me, I'd better draw my gun - thought the man. So he does. Then, when the turns away and doesn't attack, the man thinks "oh, I'd better shoot this dog anyway because my gun is in my hand.". See what utter nonsense that is?
If the situation changes or diffuses before the trigger is pulled - then what? Are you then expelling fear and uncertainty? Seriously? Any little bit of critical thinking applied to situations will show you how flawed that way of thinking is.
Just because a gun is unholstered doesn't mean that gun must be used. Period.
Things happen, and an extra free hand could be beneficial.I should have been more clear. Since I practice draw to target. I guess I do think of a "ready" position but that would be a strong arm grip established with the gun holstered if I thought I perceived a threat but was unsure. I can and do mentally envision that scenario. For a ready position like those in the video, I could see that it could be possible where I had engaged a threat that was no longer a threat but thought there could be another threat. That probability seems rather small for me but it is a possibility.
Aaaaaaah, I think that has a lot to do with your mindset in relation to how quick you are to draw your gun.But that's akin to "I simply had to shoot because I already drew my gun". Which is a load of horse crap. Absolute stomped on, rained on, wet, soupy horse crap.
As if situations aren't fluid. As if situations don't change in fractions of a second.
Oh man, this dog is charging me, I'd better draw my gun - thought the man. So he does. Then, when the turns away and doesn't attack, the man thinks "oh, I'd better shoot this dog anyway because my gun is in my hand.". See what utter nonsense that is?
If the situation changes or diffuses before the trigger is pulled - then what? Are you then expelling fear and uncertainty? Seriously? Any little bit of critical thinking applied to situations will show you how flawed that way of thinking is.
Just because a gun is unholstered doesn't mean that gun must be used. Period.
Things happen, and an extra free hand could be beneficial.
This guys vids show a lot of different scenarios and how they went down. More than a few of them the gun was presented in a manner other than a standard draw. I'm not saying I always agree with it, but it does a good job of showing a big variety of situations, and reinforcing how stupid people can be.
I agree, that's why I said I don't always agree with what goes on. I don't think I would have even got that close to the situation that was spiraling out of control, but sometimes you don't get to choose.Obviously, we don't have all the information but I can't see why he has the gun out at all here. It didn't do anything but limited his options and take a significant portion of his attention away from better solution and on to keeping the gun away.
This is also a good example of open carry limiting your options. If he left that gun in a concealed holster he may have been able to do a lot of other things.
Maybe not, but he certainly narrowed his range of options when he got the gun out so early.
Is it possible to post videos here? It is hard to type out the drills. In this case a video is worth 1000 words.Tell us more about the hand to hand and retention drills.
Just paste it right in the reply box, like I did with the OP.Is it possible to post videos here? It is hard to type out the drills. In this case a video is worth 1000 words.
I agree, the chance to deescalate is the most important piece here. CCW is a bit different in that if I’m pulling it out everything else has probably failed. In that case low ready is probably where I’m going next.Oh my, should have watched the whole video first.
The last ready position mentioned is seldom taught, but it's the one I use and will preach about whenever asked.
If the video is hosted on a site like YouTube or a file sharing or photo sharing site then you can post a link.Is it possible to post videos here? It is hard to type out the drills. In this case a video is worth 1000 words.