Here Comes the Executive Order on Background Checks

[KG1]

I know this will come as a shock to a large amount of INGO, but there are people who own guns, like guns, and like to shoot to whom the defense of the 2nd Amendment is not the end all, be all of their existence. There are political and social issues that affect them on a daily basis that may be a bigger concern to them than the latest news of another potential infringement on the 2A. Occasionally, one of them wanders into a place like this and the dogpile begins. They eventually leave with all their preconceived notions of what us "gun nuts" are really like firmly reinforced.

There are a lot of us here that feel the 2nd Amendment represents a whole lot more than just a casual hobby that happens to involve firearms.

That's why it is such a big deal to us.

 

[seedubs1]

Really? He thinks an EO with "common sense" measures regarding gun control won't effect the whole "shall not be infringed" part of the 2nd amendment?

He's admitted to smoking dope before.....Maybe he's still smoking it?

Obama says his gun control executive actions are consistent with second amendment right to bear arms. Pres says his executive actions won't prevent every crime and mass shooting but will potentially save lives.

says he'll be rolling out his executive actions on guns over the next several days.

https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/684099373362458624

 

[huey]

He is talking about a pvt person non FFL holder like me or you taking a gun to gun show and selling it or someone non ffl rents a table to sell his personal guns YEP THATS IT!!!!!

I sure would like to know where these gun shows are that you can buy guns without a background check are. I've been to plenty and they were doing background check every time!

 

[Lowe0]

There are a lot of us here that feel the 2nd Amendment represents a whole lot more than just a casual hobby that happens to involve firearms.

That's why it is such a big deal to us.

Then why select candidates in the primaries that drive people away? Why not take all the help you can get?

 

[BogWalker]

I rent a table at gun shows in the summer. I sell maybe 2-3 firearms per year from my private collection. Mostly flip ammo and sell old military gear. While I doubt his EO will affect my selling by what I've heard from the whispers, I know several guys who this will put the kibosh on. Guys I talk to a lot. Guys I buy firearms from. This will force many of them out, and that is a huge blow to me. I don't buy new firearms. I buy old guns that I rarely find with FFLs in my area. If I can't get them at gun shows, I'll have to get them online and that involves transfer fees.

Any EO forcing more people to get FFLs will make the exercising of my Second Amendment rights more expensive by extension.

Nobody should have to have an FFL or background checks to sell guns. If somebody is so dangerous they can't be trusted with a firearm then they shouldn't be allowed to roam freely as they can't be trusted with knives or their bare hands either.

 

[cobber]

Obama says his gun control executive actions are consistent with second amendment right to bear arms. Pres says his executive actions won't prevent every crime and mass shooting but will potentially save lives.

says he'll be rolling out his executive actions on guns over the next several days.

https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/684099373362458624

It might also prevent a Martian invasion. Hey, if it saves ONE child!

Of course the same argument could be made for not stirring up local police-community controversies, closing sanctuary cities, restricting illegal immigration, and better vetting "immigrants".

 

[Hoosier45]

Also saw the quote that the EO are not only legal, but are changes the overwhelming majority of Americans, INCLUDING MOST GUN OWNERS, support. Guess I am not included in "most gun owners."

 

[KG1]

Obama says his gun control executive actions are consistent with second amendment right to bear arms. Pres says his executive actions won't prevent [STRIKE]every[/STRIKE] any crime and mass shooting but will potentially [STRIKE]save lives[/STRIKE] give the anti crowd the illusion that I'm doing something by taking care of this bogus "gun show loophole" meme that we created and got our media lapdogs to push.

says he'll be rolling out his executive actions on guns over the next several days.

https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/684099373362458624

FIFTT. (Fixed It For The Truth)

 

[KG1]

Also saw the quote that the EO are not only legal, but are changes the overwhelming majority of Americans, INCLUDING MOST GUN OWNERS, support. Guess I am not included in "most gun owners."

Yeah me either and pretty much all of the gun owners I know.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Then why select candidates in the primaries that drive people away? Why not take all the help you can get?

You're missing the point. We want candidates that represent the widest overlap possible with our views. We do not want hard leftists who happen to like guns (if there is any such thing).

You are essentially asking why we don't capitulate on everything but the 2A to pull more people under the big tent. It just isn't going to happen. I thought I explained that well enough earlier.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Also saw the quote that the EO are not only legal, but are changes the overwhelming majority of Americans, INCLUDING MOST GUN OWNERS, support. Guess I am not included in "most gun owners."

I am going to step out on a limb and conclude that most gun owners are not included in 'most gun owners'.

 

[actaeon277]

It might also prevent a Martian invasion. Hey, if it saves ONE child!

Of course the same argument could be made for not stirring up local police-community controversies, closing sanctuary cities, restricting illegal immigration, and better vetting "immigrants".

People look at me funny when I turn their argument around, and then say, "if it saves one child".

Also saw the quote that the EO are not only legal, but are changes the overwhelming majority of Americans, INCLUDING MOST GUN OWNERS, support. Guess I am not included in "most gun owners."

When you don't have the facts on your side, make everyone think you do.

 

[Lowe0]

You're missing the point. We want candidates that represent the widest overlap possible with our views. We do not want hard leftists who happen to like guns (if there is any such thing).

You are essentially asking why we don't capitulate on everything but the 2A to pull more people under the big tent. It just isn't going to happen. I thought I explained that well enough earlier.

Which is my point: it's ridiculous to castigate me for having priorities other than guns, when you just admitted that you're prioritizing other things over gaining support for guns.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Eh, I'd argue that 2a is the most important, as it is the single right that protects every other one

 

[Lowe0]

Eh, I'd argue that 2a is the most important, as it is the single right that protects every other one

But that cuts both ways: either it's important enough to drop everything else for, or its not important enough to expect someone else to drop everything else for.

 

[SSGSAD]

Also saw the quote that the EO are not only legal, but are changes the overwhelming majority of Americans, INCLUDING MOST GUN OWNERS, support. Guess I am not included in "most gun owners."

That I know of, I haven't been included either .....

 

[IndyDave1776]

Which is my point: it's ridiculous to castigate me for having priorities other than guns, when you just admitted that you're prioritizing other things over gaining support for guns.

You haven't listened to a damned word I said. Yes, the 2A is that the top of my list. The candidate who will support it as a matter of constitutional principle will also support the other nine manifestations of the Bill of Rights. He will also support the government operating within Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution. He will also support a proper application of federalism. He will NOT support using the federal government as a bludgeon in matters properly left to the states. He will NOT support federalizing common crime. He will NOT support federal kibitzing in our lives. Within proper limitations per the Constitution, we should be able to damned near forget that the federal government exists, and my candidate would understand that.

Further, I will not have to make myself party to murder, federalized theft, power grabs, or legislatively/judicially forced cultural engineering to get these things done.

Maybe one of these days you will get it. I may live long enough to see it. Then again, maybe not.

Since you are trying to build a false parallel, no, I cannot turn into a dumbass liberal and still support the 2A effectively by accepting the erosion of all other constitutional issues in return. ONCE AGAIN, SINCE YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND THIS SIMPLE TRUTH, IN ORDER FOR ANY PROPER INALIENABLE RIGHT TO BE SECURE ALL OF THEM MUST BE SECURE. You cannot pick and choose without converting all of them into conditional privileges subject to the whim of whomever may be in office at the time.

 

[cobber]

Also saw the quote that the EO are not only legal, but are changes the overwhelming majority of Americans, INCLUDING MOST GUN OWNERS, support. Guess I am not included in "most gun owners."

What, the bitter clingers support him? Who knew?


Ques. #2, who actually believes this twaddle?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Ques. #2, who actually believes this twaddle?

The ~50% of the population dumb enough to support the jackass?

 

[KG1]

What, the bitter clingers support him? Who knew?


Ques. #2, who actually believes this twaddle?

Quit calling Obama a twaddle.